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AI Controlled Cars, or Your Right to Drive

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by illram, Dec 30, 2013.

  1. Bugfatty300

    Bugfatty300 Buddha Squirrel

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    Meh, I've already done enough driving to last several life times. If I get nostalgic for the old days I'll just take the tarp off the antique and take it off road or to a closed track.
     
  2. Labtec600

    Labtec600 Emperor

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    I think if your assumptions become true (which is a whole different argument), there will be no choice but to make the car mandatory.
     
  3. bhsup

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    Do you want to ban swimming pools? People drown in them every year. Is a swim worth a death? Do you want to ban fireworks? Do you want to turn everyone into coppertops in a coma in a massive artificial intelligence machine ruled world where they are safe and cocooned from all possible harm?
     
  4. Bugfatty300

    Bugfatty300 Buddha Squirrel

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    eh, never mind.
     
  5. Zelig

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    A bad swimmer doesn't put me in danger if I go swimming.
     
  6. Defiant47

    Defiant47 Peace Sentinel

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    Checkmate :D

    So let's put it like this. You have the right to refrain from using a seatbelt if you so wish, since it endangers only you. But you don't have the right to take control of your vehicle and endanger other lives.

    If you wish, we can install a gadget in your car that allows you to undertake the same personal risk to your life as driving on your own would. You're still not allowed to control the vehicle. But you can press this button and the vehicle will shoot you in a random body part every 1 in 10000 drives (or whatever the probability would be).
     
  7. bhsup

    bhsup Deity

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    A bad swimmer puts themselves in danger, just as a bad driver does. If the whole point is to save lives, you must take into consideration the self-induced harm by sucking at driving or swimming.
     
  8. azzaman333

    azzaman333 meh

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    Driving is such a hassle, I wouldn't complain in the slightest if the car would do it for me.
     
  9. Defiant47

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    The point was that people have no right to trample on the freedoms of others. That's what freedom is all about.

    As such, people can take personal risks as much as they want, like swimming or not wearing a seat belt. But they have no right to endanger others needlessly, such as firing guns up in the air or having a manually-controlled car (and I don't mean the Fred Flinstone type). Especially when this act of endangering others is only for some light personal enjoyment or entertainment.
     
  10. bhsup

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    And I am trying to illustrate that considering "having a manually controlled car" with "no right to trample on the freedoms of others" is insane.
     
  11. Defiant47

    Defiant47 Peace Sentinel

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    You can frame anything sensible to sound insane if you try hard enough. Like whether people should have access to their property and belongings if they get a little inebriated (drinking and driving). Or whether a young couple in love should be allowed to consummate their feelings for each other (15 and 19 year-olds, statutory rape).

    Is the "freedom to live" or the "freedom to not die horribly mangled in a car crash because of a person who preferred to drive a car for enjoyment instead of using the extremely reliable computer overlords" considered a basic right, or a basic freedom? I certainly think it is.
     
  12. bhsup

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    Which means by extension that you think people should be guaranteed to never be in harms way, ever. That is the end result of your way of thinking, which leads us back to The Matrix and us being coppertops in cocoons. I don't subscribe to that view of existence.
     
  13. Defiant47

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    That is an incorrect extrapolation of my way of thinking. The correct extension is that people should never be in harm's way because of another person's actions when those actions are unnecessary, preventable, and only provide some light entertainment.

    Or from the other side, people should never be allowed to risk others' lives for cheap thrills.

    I am simply trying to espouse freedom. Not safety or saving lifes per sé.
     
  14. Angst

    Angst Rambling and inconsistent

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    Where's this from?

    Also, relevant:


    Link to video.
     
  15. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    Hmm.

    I enjoyed driving when I first started, but my enjoyment has been steadily eroded from years of sitting in stop-start traffic.

    From what is the enjoyment of driving derived? It's certainly not the chance to admire the scenery, because you can't. Is it simply the sense of mastery and control?

    I'd look forward to a time when my sole means of transport was my own two feet. Going out to the shops could easily become a thing of the past, and just how many desk-bound jobs could not, feasibly, be done in the worker's home?

    Will computer controlled cars ever take over the job completely? I somehow doubt it. But in the near future traffic is going to have to be routed automatically simply because of the amount of traffic and the costs of not doing so. Just look at all that wasted fossil fuel being burnt up by essentially stationary vehicles.

    The next step would be taking some kind of automatic control (though not yet complete) on motorways, ensuring vehicles maintain a safe distance between each other.

    I think the whole thing will be a gradual process. Nothing to get worried or upset about. No one'll be bothered, or probably even notice much.
     
  16. Loppan Torkel

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    I support an AI-driven car fleet if it's controlled, maintained and governed by the state. Probably.. until I'm convinced otherwise. It would be too big for various, minor private companies and I wouldn't want Google to have an eternal monopoly.
     
  17. IglooDude

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    The problem isn't the drivers with lack of skills (generally), it's the drivers that are situationally distracted and thus their skill level hardly matters. For that purpose, driving proficiency tests are insufficient.


    Have you heard of ZipCars? The "robo" part is obviously lacking at this point, but they've got everything else fairly well sorted.
     
  18. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    But that's like using public transport. What I like about my car is that it smells of me, and all the dirt and crap in it is mine.

    More importantly, the crap isn't someone else's.
     
  19. Silurian

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    A two or three etc car familly could have one robot car.

    X and Y drive to Xs place of work then onto Ys where the car is parked.

    When X is due to finish work the car drives its self to Ys place of work then they go to the mall.

    Whilst X is shopping the car drives itself to Y and picks them up. The car goes back to the mall to pick up X and they both go home and they live happly ever after.
     
  20. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    For those that oppose AI driven cars, why? You think the government telling you what to do is wrong? Do you wear a seatbelt? Do you stop at stop signs? Do you speed? Do you pay for auto insurance? Do you pay the government to test your ability to drive and use a government issued license? I thought so, Mr. Libertarian.

    Driving isn't a treat. I've nearly died in automobile accidents. I would prefer it if the human failure factor is removed entirely and no one is allowed to drive. Machines know where each other are in ways humans cannot possibly know. It would save tens of thousands of lives annually in the US alone.

    This has nothing to do with your rights.
     

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