All Things Star Trek

[Sarin]

2. Should Paramount do a reboot of The Next Generation in the Kelvin timeline?

I'm starting to think this isn't a terrible idea. Obviously, it could be messed up or done poorly in any number of ways, but the concept doesn't offend me like I thought it would, and the fact that it might not be good isn't a reason to not do it.

IMO if there's a continuation of Kelvin timeline, it should be set in the "lost era", that is TOS movies and further, up to TNG start. The time of Sulu's captaincy of Excelsior would be great for series, although they'd have to find a new actor for Chekov. RIP Anton.
Or, they could use some kind of temporal accident to bring the old actor back. Walter Koenig is a great actor who could pull it off.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

IMO if there's a continuation of Kelvin timeline, it should be set in the "lost era", that is TOS movies and further, up to TNG start. The time of Sulu's captaincy of Excelsior would be great for series, although they'd have to find a new actor for Chekov. RIP Anton.
Or, they could use some kind of temporal accident to bring the old actor back. Walter Koenig is a great actor who could pull it off.

Walter Koenig is 87 years old. He might still be doing conventions, but I doubt he's up to doing a TV show that requires action scenes.

At least people are starting to realize that neither DiscoTrek or SNW can possibly "mesh seamlessly" into TOS, like the showrunners bragged years ago. They were always in an alternate timeline. Enterprise, as well, since I don't buy for a nanosecond about the retconning of Vulcan history, encountering the Augments, encountering the Borg, retconning Klingon history... to name just a few things, could possibly "mesh seamlessly" into TOS.

Now if anyone could figure out how to do a Captain Sulu series that "seamlessly meshes" with the movie era (would have to take place after the fifth TOS movie, as Sulu does have the Excelsior before the sixth movie), I'd watch it. Maybe. As long as it wasn't in that ridiculous Kelvin timeline and the ship didn't look like the Enterprise did in the Kelvin timeline (part shopping mall, part brewery) with no other JJverse cast in it.

Though I really wish they'd done a Captain Sulu series back in the late '80s/early '90s when George Takei really could have done justice to it.

 

[Sarin]

Though I really wish they'd done a Captain Sulu series back in the late '80s/early '90s when George Takei really could have done justice to it.

Yeah. It's a pity that all we have there are few books. They really missed the chance there...maybe they were afraid of the tea budget?

That era had the best uniforms of all ST.

 

[Sommerswerd]

"Target that explosion and fire!" (Star Trek 6) is one of my favourite Sulu lines.

Another Sulu moment I love... in Star Trek (reboot) is when Kirk asks incredulously what combat training Sulu has to which Sulu replies "fencing"... followed by the parajump-fighting scene on the drill platform where Sulu unsheathes a futuristic retractable katana.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Yeah. It's a pity that all we have there are few books. They really missed the chance there...maybe they were afraid of the tea budget?

That era had the best uniforms of all ST.

They just couldn't wrap their narrow minds around the idea that George Takei had what it takes to be a lead actor. His scenes in ST VI and the Voyager episode "Flashback" prove that he indeed had what it takes.

 

[Ordnael]

I am about to watch the full TNG with my wife (for me a rewatch) so as to set her and me ready to binge watch Picard. still have to finish showing her the TOS movies though.

About Egon's pondering on remaking the whole TNG in the Kelvin timeline...I think that TNG, not being my favourite Trek show, it's still an absolute gem with all it's flaws and quirks. I'd rather wish the studio would focus their efforts on a full season of Mirror Universe, use the episodes to tie up some loose ends and sprinkle in some new stuff (I am writing this without watching anything further then Voyager) please bring in Nana, she still looks great!

 

[Synobun]

So, uh, *coughs*, I'm watching season two of Prodigy. I'm about midway through, and so far this is shaping up to be one of the best NuTrek works I've seen. It easily matches the quality of Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds, and is far more loyal to characterization than the trainwreck of Picard. Janeway is cool, Chakotay is cool. Wesley Crusher is cool. This blends children's media with the sentiment of Star Trek really, really well. I am not surprised Paramount fumbled this, since they're allergic to good things.

It makes me a little disappointed that this is unlikely to get a third season. That it's outright illegal to watch this season in a bunch of Trek-heavy countries is embarrassing. Sabotaged in the womb. I hope this season doesn't end on a cliffhanger; I don't think it will, since they already knew they were on the chopping block when writing it.

@Valka D'Ur, since we're both in the same "it's illegal to watch this season in Canada" boat, I can't outright tell you to watch this, but should you ever have the ability to, I think it could be NuTrek you'd enjoy. It is a children's show, but it feels like Star Trek, and it adapts a lot from Voyager without being idiots about it (no repeats of Icheb and Seven in Picard). I seem to recall you liking fanfics about Janeway and Chakotay. Janeway gets a significant amount of airtime in this show, and she's mellowed out. Less bombastic, more focused on wisdom. They don't spend a lot of time on Chakotay, so far anyway, but what they do show is pretty respectful and paints him in a decent light. As far as bringing back characters goes, this season of Prodigy has done it the best, IMO. The writers didn't try to get creative with it and subsequently assassinate their personalities.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I appreciate the suggestion, and of course people are free to like whatever variety of Trek they like.

It's actually Seven of Nine stories I like, and there are maybe about three fanfic authors I've seen who can make Chakotay interesting.

I'll check the fanfiction sites to see what there is of Prodigy stories (there must be some). I canceled CTV Sci-fi last year, since I had to decide what I needed more: Star Trek reruns or Maddy's cat food. The cat won.

(not that she's grateful; she just knocked my Coke off the filing cabinet - fortunately it missed the computer but now I've got a mess to clean up on the floor)

 

[Smellincoffee]

Read Star Trek: Lost to Eternity. Despite the premise, it's not about GIllian Taylor, although one of the storylines is about a podcaster in 2024 San Francisco trying to find out what happened to her. The bulk of the book is two TOS crises set a different times, which prove to be linked by one mysterious figure who will also bring in the 2024 story line. Weirdly, Cox does not reference the Sanctuary district or the Bell riots in his 2024 San Francisco, despite that being in Deep Space Nine. He always has a good handle on the voices for the TOS people, and there are a few inside jokes like a Klingon quoting Shakespeare. Will try to get to David Mack's new Seven novel soon.

Also, the SNW season 3 teaser just dropped. Looks very silly, more Lower Deck's style, buuuuut I can tell the actors (and makeup people) had some fun:

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I won't buy David Mack's books. He's basically a jackass to anyone who dares to even hint that they didn't like something about his books.

 

[Synobun]

So, uh, *coughs*, I'm watching season two of Prodigy. I'm about midway through, and so far this is shaping up to be one of the best NuTrek works I've seen. It easily matches the quality of Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds, and is far more loyal to characterization than the trainwreck of Picard. Janeway is cool, Chakotay is cool. Wesley Crusher is cool. This blends children's media with the sentiment of Star Trek really, really well. I am not surprised Paramount fumbled this, since they're allergic to good things.

Alright, I'm done. It ends pretty strongly, though it didn't go quite as in-depth as I would have liked. That said, it's a children's show, so it has to remain at least somewhat scrutable to a young audience. It does follow a similar trajectory as the Clone Wars cartoon from Star Wars however: it starts utilizing more mature themes as it progresses and doesn't really shy away from violence.

It ends just as Picard begins, which... well... I don't really like that the storylines of Picard and Discovery are Set and Immutable. But I guess if something is going to make the Picard era redeemable, it could be this show... if it gets a third season.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

Star Trek: Section 31 teaser trailer.

Yikes. I love Michelle Yeoh, but yeah, this does not look good at all. Take Star Trek out of the title & it could just as easily be mistaken for B-movie slop.

 

[Clubber Lang]

The trailer song is wack and out of place for a Star Trek show, but not for this junk.

''You a bad biitch''



Ill get my new Star Trek fix out of 'Strange New Worlds' and maybe 'The Prodigy'...that's more my lane.

 

[PPQ_Purple]

Am I the only one who really does not like the esthetic of the new movies. Things are just too clean and rounded and for lack of a better term Iphonish. And there is far too much milky white plastic. To me, TOS and DS9 were the ones to really got it right with making the starships look like starships and not accessories.

Like, just look at the background in that gif in the post above me. It's a metal door frame that looks so industrial and real. Like a real door you would find on a real place that's lived in as opposed to a showroom.

I miss when SF looked that way.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I miss when SF looked that way.

San Francisco?

 

[Laurana Kanan]

San Francisco?

Science Fiction

 

[Ajidica]

Am I the only one who really does not like the esthetic of the new movies. Things are just too clean and rounded and for lack of a better term Iphonish. And there is far too much milky white plastic. To me, TOS and DS9 were the ones to really got it right with making the starships look like starships and not accessories.

Like, just look at the background in that gif in the post above me. It's a metal door frame that looks so industrial and real. Like a real door you would find on a real place that's lived in as opposed to a showroom.

I miss when SF looked that way.

Hey, I like the "lobby of the space Hilton" look TNG had going. It felt like it was comfortable and civilized, not a military ship.

Changing topic, the time period I wish Star Trek would explore is the "Lost Era", between Generations and TNG. In other words, the stuff the Enterprise B and C got up to. Stuff like the Khitomer Accords, the Federation-Cardassia War, etc. I'm sure the writers could lean into a "How the West Was Won" vibe, with the Federation bringing order vs freedom on the frontier.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

Changing topic, the time period I wish Star Trek would explore is the "Lost Era", between Generations and TNG. In other words, the stuff the Enterprise B and C got up to. Stuff like the Khitomer Accords, the Federation-Cardassia War, etc. I'm sure the writers could lean into a "How the West Was Won" vibe, with the Federation bringing order vs freedom on the frontier.

I still want to see the Romulan War that was rumored to start/take place during later seasons of Enterprise. The novels that deal with it are okay, but I would still want to see it in live action.

 

[Ajidica]

I would not like to see a Star Wars show focusing on a war. I don't think Star Trek handles war well, particularly big flashy war. The "Dominion War" felt like a confused knockoff of the Shadow War and Earth Civil War (whoops, spoilers on a 30 year old show!) from Babylon 5.
The Cardassia War always struck me as a rather low-key war. One the Federation knew it could win but was afraid of devoting too many resources to and for political reasons it didn't want to invade Cardassia.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

The Romulan War (at least the early parts) dealt a lot with espionage & subterfuge. In the books, Trip even undergoes cosmetic surgery (after his fake death) to infiltrate the Romulan Empire.