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Kira can be so good, but I dreaded Kira focused episodes I found them mostly uninteresting, never really liked they she played the terrorist/freedom fighter haunted by her past, maybe she played it good but I didn't like it much.

Thanks for your alternate ending for Conspiracy @Plotinus it gave me a chuckle!

I found most episodes that focused on Bajor or Bajorans the weak points of the series myself. Any episode where the Kai appeared got me almost immediately disinterested in the episode. No idea what it is about the Bajorans in particular I never liked, since Kira was one of my favourite characters on the show. I guess I liked her personality and admittedly appearance, and the way she carried herself, and that's what made me like her as a character, but any sort of focus on the Bajorans got a big meh from me.

This might be surprising since DS9 is to this day still my fav Trek show. A part of the meh is likely the religion-heavy aspect of their culture. At the time of airing I was a teen trying to convince my parents that I did not belong to the church, and one thing that drew me to Trek initially was the absolute absence of religion and the embracing of humanism.

In contrast I loved most episodes focusing on the Cardassians. I did not celebrate them or anything remotely similar, but just found stories revolving around them a lot more interesting.

The whole "One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter" thing also got boring fast. Yeah.. it's an interesting conversation to have.. but in my head, even at that age, it did not seem to warrant hours and hours of analysis and discussion. I mean, yeah, I got the dynamics, the conflicts, and the difference of opinion. It's an interesting aspect for a character to have for sure as well, but it just got boring fast for me. Instead I focused on Kira's personality and the way she approached situations, something I admired. Where she got all that was sort of lost in a fog, and each time they brought us into the fog again, I got a bit bored. It felt like an unnecessary distraction.

It wasn't even the Dominion war story arc(s) that made me love this show so much.. I mean, that was a part of it, but it was mainly about the characters for me, how interesting they were, not so black-and-white - dynamic believable characters who grew over episodes and formed fascinating relationships with other characters on the show. It all felt more relatable than other Trek shows. The Dominion arc was sort of the cherry on the top, an amazing story arc spanning seasons that put the Federation and our heroes in some very interesting situations.
 
If it wasn't' for the fact that Marc Alaimo played Dukat so flawlessly even when he was being forced by the producers to be chaotic bad, DS9 would be lacking in the flavour department. Sisko was what he always was a great man with a clean past, but Dukat...all those shades... he was stealing the show. Garak was beyond awesome, so yeah the whole dominion war is like a nice background for these characters, but the Cardassians kinda carried DS9 on their shoulders. We only catch glimpses of Damar's journey but he was also great both as a "evil sidekick" to Dukat and as saviour of a free Cardassia. Funny how we end up loving the "villains" and shady characters of the show compared to the stoic federation antics. And when the producers aim to give more layers to Sisko we end up with weird scenes like seeing him washing clams outside his father's restaurant fresh out of losing his best friend and on the verge of Bajor, nay, the Federation collapsing to the Dominion.
 
Is Chief O'Brian the only person in the whole of star fleet who does not have a commission? Generally the most junior members we meet are Ensigns, and DS9 S3E25 confirms O'Brian has to call them Sir.
 
If I remember correctly he never enrolled or finished the course to get a commission but he ends ds9 being invited to give lectures at Starfleet academy.
 
So I rewatched this one yesterday with the wife:

Had to explain the missus about Gene's vision on love and that the Entreprise is no military ship, so it was okay for Okona making house calls:mischief: on female crew quarters as Picard puts it so well and articulate.
My thoughts on Okona haven't changed since I first watched this episode and I still feel he's kind of a poor man Star Trek's version of Han Solo (what kind of rogue smuggler would be carrying love letters for six months!?:wallbash:) And this episode feels more like a Love Boat in Space:crazyeye: than Star Trek proper...and it's all right, it's nice to see Teri Hatcher so young and Billy Campbell before becoming so infamous for Enough (first movie I ever watched with the girlfriend now wife and it's about domestic violence!:popcorn::splat:)
 

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The Section 31 story is finally real? Impressive.
 
Section 31 are hardly the good guys. At best, they think they're the good guys.
 
Section 31 are hardly the good guys. At best, they think they're the good guys.
Well, consider all the worst monsters in real world history thought they were in the right and doing - to quote a Rowlings villain - "the Greater Good," - and no real world history monster cackled with malignant glee of how evil they were, and many lionized historical figures did of, or conscienced, unspeakable things.

But, indeed, Star Trek's canon and axioms typically depict tighter moral lines (if not the black-and-white of some fictional genres and franchises).
 
Section 31 was fun as a one off, not as a recurring element.
 
Section 31 are hardly the good guys. At best, they think they're the good guys.

Perhaps, but on Discovery at least the character in question was presented as someone who we are supposed to accept to some degree. The crew accepted her and were getting all chummy with her. I did not find any of that realistic at all, if we are accept Star Trek's morals as presented to us over the years at least.
 
But, indeed, Star Trek's canon and axioms typically depict tighter moral lines (if not the black-and-white of some fictional genres and franchises).
I would phrase it as breaking the utopian ideal of Star Fleet.
 
I would phrase it as breaking the utopian ideal of Star Fleet.
But what value is a break of genre convention, but one that is also tokenist, by nature?
 
But what value is a break of genre convention, but one that is also tokenist, by nature?
You shall have to explain that.

Though I will point out that I was not trying to justify it, I really liked that SNW is a bit more like the classic trek that other recent ones, in that way as well as the episodic nature.
 
Perhaps, but on Discovery at least the character in question was presented as someone who we are supposed to accept to some degree. The crew accepted her and were getting all chummy with her. I did not find any of that realistic at all, if we are accept Star Trek's morals as presented to us over the years at least.
Yes. Section 31 was introduced in the ST series that showed the shades of gray in the Federation, DS9. War Crimes Sisko (this is not a derogatory description from me, mind), Garak, Odo, Quark, Kira... The entire cast at some point grappled with morality in a situation where it may not be the right move or even an available option. Star Trek has wonderful capacity for exploring nuance in utopia.

A Section 31 series/movie with Georgiou is not that. She is introduced in Discovery by blowing up a planet. She openly relishes in eating the brains of sentient species, torturing people, slavery, and so on. She is not a "gray" character. She is as close to evil you can get, pleasuring in cruelty and sadism. She had no redemption arc. No guilt. No penance. Everything surrounding her character on Discovery was a sham, and giving her a headlining role in a show (now movie) about The Department of War Crimes is just nonsense. In general I am not interested in Section 31, even in the context of DS9, but it's possible to craft a story about them that fits in the Star Trek canon and philosophy. This movie will not do that.
 
Yeah but the main character in that movie is a genocidal maniac worse than Putin. And she's working for the good guys? I don't know if I can take that seriously. I grew up on 90s Trek
Well Section 31 did attempt to genocide the Changelings, by deliberately infecting Odo with the morphogenic virus. This was DS9 ST.
 
Well Section 31 did attempt to genocide the Changelings, by deliberately infecting Odo with the morphogenic virus. This was DS9 ST.

Yes, as a last measure against an enemy that was bent on conquering and enslaving the Federation and all of the Alpha quadrant (and Beta)

Contrast this with the star of the new S31 movie who was genociding and killing millions for fun.
 
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