Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
See, here's where Yoda got it wrong. With Ann, there is only try.
Ann Coulter
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weltraeumer
Warlord
motherfuc*er, I didn´t know this person before, but she´s one hell of a evil bi*ch
FriendlyFire
Codex WMDicanious
Conservatives have dumped her for Palin.
Not suprising since her age seems to have caught up with her.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
I don't think anybody was trying to "shut her up". They merely didn't want her speaking on their campus, which I think is their right to do so.
Link to video.
That is especially true since she has apparently violated Canada's hate speech laws on at least one occasion (and likely many more given her overt bigotry towards Muslims and others).
Besides, it was Ann's own "bodyguards" who decided it was ostensibly unsafe for her to speak. I guess those big words commonly heard on college campuses can really inflict a lot of collateral damage.
Depends on if you like 'em thin or chunky.
Quackers
The Frog
Some Canadian woman appeared on 'Merican TV and explained Canadian politics.
Makes ya sick doesn't it? This woman deserves to live in the Soviet Union then she can enjoy her equality over freedom..I think it demonstrates the route Canada and even the UK are taking. Destroying sacred freedom of speech so somebody somewhere preseumbly isn't offended.
Makes ya sick doesn't it? This woman deserves to live in the Soviet Union then she can enjoy her equality over freedom..I think it demonstrates the route Canada and even the UK are taking. Destroying sacred freedom of speech so somebody somewhere preseumbly isn't offended.
Berzerker
Deity
As a student I have the right to shut down speakers I dont like? What about the students who invited the speaker? They have no right to listen?
Oh c'mon, that was in the USA in the aftermath of 9/11. How can one be bigoted toward Islam, it sucks.
You wanna defend that religion? gl, might as well try to defend the OT god of the Jews. Thank god for Jesus 
I dont mind protestors, thats free speech too. My disgust is reserved for the people trying to stop her from speaking.
She can just pretend she was in a Founding era church.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
The Soviet Union? How about she deserves to live in exactly the society she's living in, since it's already destroying all those "sacred" rights anyway?
Also, there never was an absolute right to free speech in Canada. The current constitutional status - which does allow for laws limiting free speech - is the highest guarantee of free speech we've ever had You cannot destroy something that has never existed.
(And "sacred"? LOL)
This is one of the rare occasions on which Oda Nobunaga and I are in full agreement - Freedom of speech has NEVER been "sacred" in Canada.
However, it seems to me that some American folks may be misunderstanding how we do apply our laws and customs on this issue...
Take my mother, for instance: she's a bigot. She makes it abundantly clear how negatively she feels about people from India and Pakistan, and has no shyness whatsoever about saying so to other people, whether they are family, friends, or strangers:
Mom: "Is this gas station owned by white people?"
Employee: "Um, yeah..." (the attendant looked really shocked and uncomfortable at her question)
Mom: "Good. Fill 'er up."
Me: (said nothing, but really wanted to sink through the ground in embarrassment)
Now the difference in our laws and customs say that my mother is allowed to say these things in private conversation, or in this case, conversation with an employee at a business... but she gains no respect for doing so. However, if she were to spout her views in a speech to an audience, that would be different and she could be charged under Canada's hate laws.
I'm not sure if the laws would allow a business owner to refuse to serve her for her above question, though...
Quackers
The Frog
If that is the attitude of Canadians today then well you are screwed. Your on the way to dictatorship already. Free Speech is a defining characteristic of a liberal democracy. Your contempt for the free flow of ideas is actually shocking to me. Maybe this is a reaction to your big neighbour down south? Opposing the USA is a big part of being Canadian - so this is a manifestation of it?
Sure America has a Law declaring freedom of speech. Prior to these hate speech laws Canada like Britain worked under negative rights - if it ain't legislated you can do it. Hence Canada had complete freedom of speech so yeah it was a real Canadian value. Rights don't have to be legislated.
Sure America has a Law declaring freedom of speech. Prior to these hate speech laws Canada like Britain worked under negative rights - if it ain't legislated you can do it. Hence Canada had complete freedom of speech so yeah it was a real Canadian value. Rights don't have to be legislated.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
That's clearly not what I stated. Strawman much?
I'm not trying to "defend" anybody. I am merely stating that based on my understanding of Canadian hate speech laws that Coulter appears to have violated them with her obvious hatred of Muslims. Would you disagree?Oh c'mon, that was in the USA in the aftermath of 9/11. How can one be bigoted toward Islam, it sucks.
And once again, you have apparently completely misunderstood what I stated in what I consider to be fairly simple English. Are you doing this intentionally?
Furthermore, it's not very clear what are you trying to state with the rest of your rhetoric. Could you please elaborate exactly what you are trying to say about Muslims in general, and Christians and Jews who still believe in what is stated in the OT?
Ironically, that is indeed a legitimate form of protest. It is their campus so they have every right to complain about who has been invited to speak there.
And once again, nobody actually forced her to not appear. It was her own "bodyguards" who made that decision, not the protestors.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
The freedom to criticize the government is indeed a necessary characteristic of liberal democracies. The freeom to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater (or, to use more modern examples, the freedom of yelling "I have a shoe bomb!" on a plane) has pretty much never been considered an essential part of anything. Neither has the freedom to slander.
Everything else is in-between, and where you draw the line depend largely on how much you value individualism vs social peace.
Thank you, Oda Nobunaga. May I add that Canada's defining phrase is "Peace, Order, and Good Government?"
Well, we're currently at war with Afghanistan, lots of people don't trust taser-happy Mounties, and I would certainly not call what we have either in Edmonton or Ottawa "good government."
But the thing is, Ann Coulter can believe anything she likes. She can think anything she likes. She can spout that hateful stuff in private conversations and in any social situation allowed by the American government - as long as she does so IN THE UNITED STATES.
In Canada she may still believe and think as she wants, say whatever she wants in private conversations... but a speech on a college campus is NOT a private conversation. It's a public venue, partially funded by the government. Therefore, government-mandated hate speech laws apply and she should have acknowledged with a 'thank you' the official who reminded her of our laws and revised her speech accordingly.
May I add that Canada's defining phrase is "Peace, Order, and Good Government?"Well, we're currently at war with Afghanistan, lots of people don't trust taser-happy Mounties, and I would certainly not call what we have either in Edmonton or Ottawa "good government."
But the thing is, Ann Coulter can believe anything she likes. She can think anything she likes. She can spout that hateful stuff in private conversations and in any social situation allowed by the American government - as long as she does so IN THE UNITED STATES.
In Canada she may still believe and think as she wants, say whatever she wants in private conversations... but a speech on a college campus is NOT a private conversation. It's a public venue, partially funded by the government. Therefore, government-mandated hate speech laws apply and she should have acknowledged with a 'thank you' the official who reminded her of our laws and revised her speech accordingly.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
Ann Coulter without all the shock-jock-hate-filled rhetoric would be more like ... Hanoi Jane.
