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Diamondeye · Feb 1, 2009

Humm, I am not planning on playing any more turns right now, who is up?

I think Shyuhes plan is sound. Priority should be keeping Thebes though, Ramesses has maces and pikes...

RRRaskolnikov · Feb 1, 2009

Hi team

,

excellent round DE! that shrine is really worth it... Agreed with Shyuhe, we need to grab at least Memphis and Giza to negotiate peace terms...
Do we want to vassalize Ramses? We need feudalism to do that (can be traded with DG against CS + gold), and higher power probably... I don't think it's doable right now but...

@DE: What happened to the GS? i don't see him mentionned in the report, and the threshold for next GPP is 450...

Short plan: finish Ramses, build up for the french? Thoughts?

Roster duty:

Rolo -> up!
Pigswill -> on deck!

Cheers

Diamondeye · Feb 2, 2009

GS.. GS... Uh... I am completely oblivious here, sorry. I simply can't remember even getting a GS. I would deem that I haven't. We have no settled Great Scientists (3bpt@100%), we hadn't got a Golden Age, and I don't think I built an Academy.

... Someone please check the save to check the cities for academies or settled/sleeping GS.

Where was the Scientist planned to pop?

RRRaskolnikov · Feb 2, 2009

Diamondeye said:
Where was the Scientist planned to pop?

7 turns after the beginning of your turnset in Nidaros... I will check the save during the lunch... I just hope that the GS wasn't in Nidaros when the city was taken... :mischief:

Cheers

Diamondeye · Feb 2, 2009

That might very well be the case

But perhaps the Library just got destroyed and/or I built an Academy... Woah, my memory is really inferior...

shyuhe · Feb 2, 2009

I hope you instinctively built an academy with him. It would suck if we lost a GS...

r_rolo1 · Feb 2, 2009

Agreed ( or else I'll have a Fox moment :gripe:

)

Got it Btw

PaulusIII · Feb 2, 2009

r_rolo1 said:
Agreed ( or else I'll have a Fox moment )

Got it Btw

A Fox moment?

RRRaskolnikov · Feb 3, 2009

A Fox moment, DE you might deserve one :mischief:

(warning, painfull spoiler)...

Spoiler :

Ptolemy is probably in an egyptian jail right now :sad:

Cheers

edit: What is the specialisation of our cities? I see cottages everywhere :confused:

The capital could work its mines (waiting guild for workshops) to benefit from its GG(gets my vote) or it can be cottage spammed if we switch to bureaucraty. Nidaros and candy city are probably best suited to run scientists so I wonder if their cottages (one is being build near candy city) are the way to go. We also urgently need the HE and NE (litterature)...
I am a bit pessimist on our chances right now seing as the AI is ahead in techs and we lost the GS... perhaps the shrine will improve things :rolleyes:

?
On final notes, the two fishing villages south of Kyoto and Nidaros are still available...

I think we need to discuss a bit more between sets otherwise we go directly :wallbash:

re Cheers

shyuhe · Feb 3, 2009

Sucks about the GS. We'll live though. The shrine will more than offset.

We shouldn't settle the fishing villages yet. They're going to drag down our economy more than support right now, until we finish this war.

We can catch up in techs, that's not an issue as long as we have enough land. We do need to start distinguishing between production and commerce cities though, as I imagine we're going to continue warring and need to build our economy at the same time.

RRRaskolnikov · Feb 3, 2009

shyuhe said:
Sucks about the GS. We'll live though. The shrine will more than offset.

Yeah it sucks... Garisonning borders cities might have a purpose actually :lol:

We shouldn't settle the fishing villages yet. They're going to drag down our economy more than support right now, until we finish this war.

Good point. There are only good for trade routes, and a couple of scientists. They will help with health though.

We can catch up in techs, that's not an issue as long as we have enough land. We do need to start distinguishing between production and commerce cities though, as I imagine we're going to continue warring and need to build our economy at the same time.

Yeah exactly, I thought we need to discuss a little on what improvements our cities would get so we don't go against each other (one teamate farming over a cottage build by another or vice versa)

Cheers

shyuhe · Feb 3, 2009

Well we can either have more discussions, or we can start sign spamming cities

RRRaskolnikov · Feb 3, 2009

shyuhe said:
Well we can either have more discussions, or we can start sign spamming cities

sign spammer anonymous ftw :evil:

PaulusIII · Feb 3, 2009

How long do we intend to go on with the war? I'd say take Giza and Memphis if we can (to avoid future troubles with Thebes and to help our economy), if not then milk Ramesses for peace money and rebuild.

RRRaskolnikov · Feb 3, 2009

I say we take Giza and Memphis and then look again at the situation. I agree it's unlikely we can afford more war time...

shyuhe · Feb 3, 2009

Giza + Memphis should be enough for this war. Rebuild the economy for 30-40 turns after that, then go to war again? :lol:

RRRaskolnikov · Feb 3, 2009

shyuhe said:
Giza + Memphis should be enough for this war. Rebuild the economy for 30-40 turns after that, then go to war again?

Hopefully

r_rolo1 · Feb 3, 2009

I chatted with our fearless SG leader while playing this turnset. It is as good as a report as anything else:

Spoiler :

For those that skipped all of this:
-We captured Giza and memphis
-We made peace with Ramesses for machinery and world map
-Ramesses vassaled to AC next turn
-we got aesthetics from dG
-unfortunately the shrine is revolting, so no bling
-Our research rate is pathetic
-To revenge the GS killed in Nidaros, we killed a recently popped GS in Memphis..... Diamondeye is revenged

Colourful pics below

Spoiler :

Time to discuss strats IMHO

shyuhe · Feb 3, 2009

Nice warring rolo. We got what we need out of Ramesses. I figured he'd vassalize but hopefully he'll go Christianity eventually as he doesn't have the Buddhist holy city any more.

Some thoughts on city management:

Kyoto - prod
Osaka - comm
Satsuma - comm
Tokyo - comm
Nidaros - comm/prod (I still think we should move the capital here to reduce overall maintenance)
Haithabu - comm
Uppsala - comm
Heliopolis - comm
Thebes - prod (other than gold multipliers)
Memphis - prod for now. We need culture buildings here.

Regarding trades:
Try begging literature from Ramesses. It's useless for us to tech it right now as we need to fix our economy first. I would change research to feudalism to open up guilds. Grocer in Thebes is worth ~9gpt.

We should also spam Buddhism to our cities to take advantage of OR. Build more monasteries and temples to speed up base production. We should also re-assign EP to a single target instead of spreading it around to everyone. Probably stick it on Ramesses? He hasn't spent much on us anyways.

We should also beg 100 gold each from AC and Joao. 50 gold from Wang. Production cities should build the Buddhist buildings, then a forge, then spam catapults. We can use them as MP. If we can get the slider back up to 40-50%, we should be good for another war.

And please don't whip any time soon. We need to grow our cities to the happy cap and DG is the only one who even has the possibility of attacking us.

Diamondeye · Feb 4, 2009

Nice report Ricardo! Glad you didn't go full GreyFox on me, and that you avenged Ptolemy (what a coincidence btw, that name spawns against the egyptians)!

And as for the whipping: You know me. No way I'd whip a city twice for the next player. I doubt I would even whip at all. It has to be the player before me...

I agree on all Shyuhes points btw.

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