Appropriate use of force by police

[LucyDuke]

Link to video.

http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/local_...tz-waives-right-to-jury-trial-in-assault-case

Spoiler video from article :

Link to video.

(The story is two years old, he just went to court this week.)

Article comments argue that she brought it on herself. Officers testifying for defense argue that he didn't have any other options to protect himself. Video shows her belligerence. Video in the article shows another second or two after he kicks.

Krawetz was convicted of misdemeanor assault in 2001.

Anybody wanna defend Officer Krawetz?

Am I the only one who gets curious about other incidents where there wasn't a camera?

Should people with assault convictions be cops ever?

 

[Bugfatty300]

Excessive. She was barefoot, handcuffed and sitting on the ground. What exactly is he protecting himself from? He could have easily ignored her, stepped back and continued writing.

 

[Maniacal]

I don't think kicking her in the face was the right thing to do, but if she had managed to trip or kick his leg out he could have take a nasty fall. Surely though there must have been a better way to make her stop doing that.

 

[warpus]

Given what American cops have been doing recently, this is not so out of the ordinary and doesn't really surprise me

 

[Labtec600]

Excessive and he shouldnt have done it, but at the same time I dont feel the slightest bit sorry for her.

I always wonder, if she is the type of person that has done or said something to some one, and that person tells them self "she is going to mouth off/do the wrong thing to some body some day and get hers".

Guess that was her day.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Excessive and he shouldnt have done it, but at the same time I dont feel the slightest bit sorry for her.

I always wonder, if she is the type of person that has done or said something to some one, and that person tells them self "she is going to mouth off/do the wrong thing to some body some day and get hers".

Guess that was her day.

And hopefully this cop will get his day too. But I doubt it.

 

[JohnRM]

Oh God, I am soooooooooo very close to...I really want to side with the officer here, but we do expect our public servants to live up to a higher standard of conduct and restraint than the average individual, especially our criminal class. I don't feel sorry for this woman, at all, but he did respond inappropriately and it was obvious that it was unnecessary.

 

[emzie]

It was excessive, but I laughed so hard.

 

[Labtec600]

And hopefully this cop will get his day too. But I doubt it.

Maybe thats why fights happen - those that "have it coming" come across other people "that have it coming" and it just spirals.

 

[JohnRM]

It was excessive, but I laughed so hard.

Yea, I really wanted to give the cop a pass on this one. It is one of those cases where if I was his boss, I would have angrier that he was caught doing it on camera than that he actually kicked her in the face.

 

[Quackers]

Does anybody know if he teaches karate?

 

[Berzerker]

what'd he say to her to inspire that lame kick?

 

[Bugfatty300]

Yea, I really wanted to give the cop a pass on this one. It is one of those cases where if I was his boss, I would have angrier that he was caught doing it on camera than that he actually kicked her in the face.

I think police sporting that kind of sentiment is what's wrong with American law enforcement. The "Blue Wall" as they say.

 

[civ2]

Nothing surprising.
I always said that American cops (or maybe NOT ONLY American, who knows) are TAUGHT to be aggressive.
The thread about school shooting is of the same idea - they first kill, then think.
It's not self-defense, it's almost murder.
Good snipers (shooters? whatever you call trained gun-users?) MUST be able to disarm a thug with a gun WITHOUT killing him.
Or at the least TRY to do so.
But "no person, no problem", or rather, no proof of "over-reacting".
That's the modern society with all its "respect" for human life.
Yeah, RIGHT...

 

[Mango Elephant]

Oh God, I am soooooooooo very close to...I really want to side with the officer here, but we do expect our public servants to live up to a higher standard of conduct and restraint than the average individual, especially our criminal class. I don't feel sorry for this woman, at all, but he did respond inappropriately and it was obvious that it was unnecessary.

I agree. It was unnecessary (and funny) but I really don't think it's that big of a deal. She did attack him first. If he does this stuff repeatably that would probably deserve to be punished, but if he only did that I would just let him off with a warning.

 

[Patroklos]

He was wrong, but she should have been convicted of assaulting a police officer.

 

[illram]

If you're pro law enforcement you should hate cops like this. No one should be defending this guy other than his lawyers. Cops like this waste money on lawsuits, they tarnish the image of the police, and ultimately they make the streets less safe for the police thanks to citizens seeing stuff like this and (rightfully) losing trust and faith in the cops.

 

[Bugfatty300]

The thread about school shooting is of the same idea - they first kill, then think.
It's not self-defense, it's almost murder.
Good snipers (shooters? whatever you call trained gun-users?) MUST be able to disarm a thug with a gun WITHOUT killing him.

You should really go back and address what posters have said to you in the other thread. Your lack of knowledge on this subject is glaringly apparent.

 

[civ2]

I'm not talking about statistics now - or did I miss something about police TRAINING???

 

[emzie]

I'm not talking about statistics now - or did I miss something about police TRAINING???

Could be worse... could be the IDF am i rite