For a sin to be mortal, the said person must have full knowledge that it is.
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GhostWriter16
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Well, I do remember reading a post that non-Catholics would be saved if they didn't commit mortal sin (And also if they truly repented of their sin with perfect contrition), but, how could a non-Catholic commit a mortal sin? When non-Catholics in general don't even know what mortal sin is?
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A non-catholic does not need to think in his mind "oh that was a mortal sin". Understanding that what he is about to do is gravely wrong and acting on it anyway still consists of mortal sin with or without an intellectual knowledge of the doctrine.
This is because every human being is endowed with an understanding of the natural law ingrained in every human heart by God, its why there are universal evils such as murder and why everyone has a conscience.
So in regards to mortal sin, if a non catholic commited murder, in the full knowledge that it is gravely detestfully wrong and did it anyway. despite not knowing the particulars of the doctrine of mortal sin he is still under the awareness that what he is done is gravely immoral and so he is still consciously aware of his error even if not knowing it in terms of venial and mortal sin.
This is because every human being is endowed with an understanding of the natural law ingrained in every human heart by God, its why there are universal evils such as murder and why everyone has a conscience.
So in regards to mortal sin, if a non catholic commited murder, in the full knowledge that it is gravely detestfully wrong and did it anyway. despite not knowing the particulars of the doctrine of mortal sin he is still under the awareness that what he is done is gravely immoral and so he is still consciously aware of his error even if not knowing it in terms of venial and mortal sin.
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OK that makes sense.
But what if a non-Catholic, after doing something gravely wrong, repented of it. But, as he's not Catholic, he didn't go to a priest. Does God forgive him?
Also:
Do Catholics think that anyone who commits ANY mortal sin should not be prayed for in the light of this verse?
But what if a non-Catholic, after doing something gravely wrong, repented of it. But, as he's not Catholic, he didn't go to a priest. Does God forgive him?
Also:
Do Catholics think that anyone who commits ANY mortal sin should not be prayed for in the light of this verse?
If it was an act of perfect contrition then yes he is forgiven
Could you please rephrase the question? I don't understand
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"If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death," (1 John 5:16-17).
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What this verse is referring to is the distinction between venial and mortal sin and the regards to the efficacy of prayers. Venial sin is not mortal in that it does not kill the soul, mortal sin is called that because it is the sundering of the soul from God out if its own will and thus it is dead.
Venial sin can be remitted by God out of mercy, and thus we pray for sinners to God that he may show mercy on them, so that the purifications neccessary for one possessed of venial sin to enter heaven are lessened by acts of grace. This is possible because even one who has commited venial sin, if he has not commited mortal sin on his death is still saved, he has already made the choice to choose God and thus God will intervene to lessen the purifications as he is not biolating free will.
However in regards to mortal sin, only the individual will of the soul moved through repentance and God's grace can make the free choice to return to the Lord and giver and life, and be raised through repentance from the death of sin, into the life of God. Thus in this case prayers for divine mercy on one who has commited mortal sin are useless because only the sinner in such a state can make the act to return to God to be remitted his sins.
We can still pray for all sinners as we do not know (as no man can truly judge) whether a man has indeed sinned mortally. Likewise we can also pray for one likely to have commited mortal sin while he is alive in the hope that they may listen to God's grace and repent. However prayers to God for leniency and to forgive his mortal sin are futile because only the sinner who has commited mortal sin can make the choice to repent as he has broken from God in a free act of will, and since God respects free will to ensure a true relationship with man he will not force someone to choose Him over sin.
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What this verse is referring to is the distinction between venial and mortal sin and the regards to the efficacy of prayers. Venial sin is not mortal in that it does not kill the soul, mortal sin is called that because it is the sundering of the soul from God out if its own will and thus it is dead.
Venial sin can be remitted by God out of mercy, and thus we pray for sinners to God that he may show mercy on them, so that the purifications neccessary for one possessed of venial sin to enter heaven are lessened by acts of grace. This is possible because even one who has commited venial sin, if he has not commited mortal sin on his death is still saved, he has already made the choice to choose God and thus God will intervene to lessen the purifications as he is not biolating free will.
However in regards to mortal sin, only the individual will of the soul moved through repentance and God's grace can make the free choice to return to the Lord and giver and life, and be raised through repentance from the death of sin, into the life of God. Thus in this case prayers for divine mercy on one who has commited mortal sin are useless because only the sinner in such a state can make the act to return to God to be remitted his sins.
We can still pray for all sinners as we do not know (as no man can truly judge) whether a man has indeed sinned mortally. Likewise we can also pray for one likely to have commited mortal sin while he is alive in the hope that they may listen to God's grace and repent. However prayers to God for leniency and to forgive his mortal sin are futile because only the sinner who has commited mortal sin can make the choice to repent as he has broken from God in a free act of will, and since God respects free will to ensure a true relationship with man he will not force someone to choose Him over sin.
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I think GamezRule is specifically referring to anarcho-communism or market socialism, NOT Stalinist Communism or Maoist Communism
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Ah, I forgot you were here
But my point was just that most people don't know the technicalities of "Communism can't be a state" exc. I was saving people the trouble of replying as to why Stalinism or Maoism is wrong (Which is obvious.)
I'll butt out now
Hmmmm let's say, expropriation is theft most times, communal property negates something like private property (existing, future, etc.) also they do a lot of anti-religious preaching and hold that God doesn't exist and, hey, they also hold that violence and revolution is the solution to most of the world's problems. I wonder why it's sinful
Wait, how do I say this oh, yeah, like this. You can'¡t plead innocence after that post, just go away.I think GamezRule is specifically referring to anarcho-communism or market socialism, NOT Stalinist Communism or Maoist Communism
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does the Pope ever sin?
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Of course he does he is a human.
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Papal infallibility is not impeccability, what the doctrine of papal infallibility is, is that the pope when speaking officially, ex cathedra on matters of morals and faith is preserved from doctrinal error by the Holy Spirit. This doctrine is really just an extension of the infallibility of the Church which is the promise from Christ that the Church will be preserved from error. (the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, I shall not leave you orphas, I shall be with you always etc etc)
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Papal infallibility is not impeccability, what the doctrine of papal infallibility is, is that the pope when speaking officially, ex cathedra on matters of morals and faith is preserved from doctrinal error by the Holy Spirit. This doctrine is really just an extension of the infallibility of the Church which is the promise from Christ that the Church will be preserved from error. (the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, I shall not leave you orphas, I shall be with you always etc etc)
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So ... what is the meaning of life?
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To be Catholic.
There is a saying, "to know, love and serve God."
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So ... if you can't do those things but live a good life ... then there is no meaning?
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How would you know if you were "living a good life"?
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I suppose living the "Golden Rule" as best as one can.
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