Ask a polytheist

If I assembled a pantheon consisting of Optimus Prime, Ellen Ripley, Robocop, Eric Draven, Spock, Neo, Catwoman, Aslan, Kara Thrace, Suzie Toller (Neve Campbell's character in Wild Things), and Bill and Ted, and they got into a fight with your gods, who would win?
 
What would your religion be if Tolkien hadn't existed ?

I think people overrates the role Tolkien has played in Germanic neopaganism. Sure the Lord of the Rings has awaken the interest of many people in ancient Germanic religion, but from what I've seen in me (I've never read anything written by him) or other practicioners is that main reasons for converting into our religion is out of ideological or mystic reasons, not because someone has read his books. I think the differences between the religion that inspired him and his fictional world are big enough to act as a firewall between his fans and the real deal. Besides, Tolkien was a devout catholic who wanted everyone to convert into catholicism, so I don't think that he wrote something that may help people convert into paganism on purpose. But hey! I'm not saying that there're no people who converted after reading TLOR, I'm just saying that, from what I've gathered, most pagans do see TLOR and other works written by Tolkien for what they really are: A fantastic world inspired by the Germanic religion written by a christian.

Do you believe in the actual existence of your gods, or do you just interpret them as allegories and lessons on how to live a moral life?

I do actually believe in their existance, though I do respect and understand those who see the gods as allegories of the forces of the natural world. However, our religion clearly state (vie the Yggdrasil myth) that our cosmos is multiversal and that gods and humans live in different versions of this multiverse, so there's no need for the allegorical explanation though many follow it.

Is there many people following this religion where you live?

Plenty. In "Spain" the regions where there are more germanic neopagans are Castile-La Mancha, Catalonia and the Basque Country.

Does your conversion has relation with the arrival of visigoths to catalonia?

No. It's obvious that Catalonia, as a descendant of the ancient Gothia, is the region with in the Iberian Peninsula with the germanic world. But no, my conversion was due to mystical expiriences, not due to an ancestral research.

Were visigoths following the Nine Noble Virtues or something similar before becaming Christians?

The NNV are a modern invention which tries to summarize the Viking poem Hávamál, so no, the visigoths didn't follow the NNV. However, the morality containted within the Hávamál was something that all Germanic peoples shared, so the pre-conversion Goths sure had a similar code of behaviour.

Which one is your favourite God, and in what way do you practise your religion? (Traditions, activities, that sort of thing)

I'm a devout to Heimdall. As for the way I practice it, I'm the kind of guy that only follows festivals, offers a weekly blót and observes Laugadagr (every Saturday I clean everything I can). A rather simple and down-to-earth way of practicing it I'd say.

Do you really *believe* in this stuff, or is it just a sort of "way of life" that doesn't require actual belief in the existence of all the gods, goddesses, spirits, spiritual places, etc. etc. etc.?

I do believe. My lifstyle is pretty normal for someone who lives in the 21st century CE (23rd century RE).

are there temples for you various gods?

There were temples of our gods, the most important and famous of them all was the temple at Uppsala. But I think you may suppose what did the Christians to them.

Our religion has always refered to conduct its rituals in the open, so temples were and are a rarity. However, I've heard of attempts of building temples to our gods. The closest of these attempts is that of the Círculo Odinista Europeo, which is building a temple in Navas de Jorquera (Albacete, Castile-la Mancha).
 
How often do you make human sacrifices ? (unsuspecting strangers & your sons/daughters included)

Do you only make such sacrifices in times of hardship or do you make the annual ones too ?

And are there any particular sacred trees that you hang them from ?
 
How familiar are you with Marvel Comics' Thor and the various adaptations thereof? What are your thoughts on it? Do you approve of Idris Elba being cast as Heimdall?

Why couldn't the gods keep their own worship going for a while?

What happens to Christians when we die?
 
However, our religion clearly state (vie the Yggdrasil myth) that our cosmos is multiversal and that gods and humans live in different versions of this multiverse

Does this mean that there's a universe ruled by a pantheon consisting of Optimus Prime, Ellen Ripley, Robocop, Eric Draven, Spock, Neo, Catwoman, Aslan, Kara Thrace, Suzie Toller (Neve Campbell's character in Wild Things), and Bill and Ted?
 
Of all the possible religions to convert to, why would you choose a dead one?
 
Also, what evidence convinced you that your religion is the one true religion, and all other pagan religions are bunk? Why is Heimdall more likely to exist than Osiris or Shiva?

Of all the possible religions to convert to, why would you choose a dead one?

Are dead religions any less likely to be correct than the "still alive" ones? Is a belief's popularity an indication of its correctness?
 
Also, what evidence convinced you that your religion is the one true religion, and all other pagan religions are bunk? Why is Heimdall more likely to exist than Osiris or Shiva?



Are dead religions any less likely to be correct than the "still alive" ones? Is a belief's popularity an indication of its correctness?
None of them are any more likely than any other. The chances of any one religion, unsupported by evidence, of being correct is infinitesimally small, but there are obvious benefits of converting to a popular one.
 
The Norse gods are all aware they're fated to die at ragnarok. Why?
 
None of them are any more likely than any other. The chances of any one religion, unsupported by evidence, of being correct is infinitesimally small

Well, yeah, WE know that, but religious people seem to disagree, which is why I was asking a polytheist.

there are obvious benefits of converting to a popular one.

The human mind believes things based on what seems most likely to be true, not based on the practical benefits of believing them.
 
How often do you make human sacrifices ? (unsuspecting strangers & your sons/daughters included)

Do you only make such sacrifices in times of hardship or do you make the annual ones too ?

And are there any particular sacred trees that you hang them from ?

Human sacrifices were never an usual practice in ancient times and since they are illegal these days we don't practice them anymore. But you seem to have a wrong perception of human sacrifices in our religion due to christian propaganda and your will of trolling this thread. Let me enlighten you.

The only account we have of a human sacrifice is Ibn Fadlan's. In his account Ibn Fadlan tells us that a slave girl volunteers in order to marry her master in the afterlife. Tacitus' account also tells us of women who volunteer to sacrifice themselves in order marry in the afterlife though he does not give us an example. We do also know that Swede kings did sacrifice male slaves at Uppsala every nine years. Why did they do so is, however, something we ignore though we may suppose that they also volunteered because we know that the back then elect kings did also volunteered to be sacrificed in times of hardship. So no, we didn't sacrifice unsuspecting strangers or our sons.

And finally you ask if they were hung in a tree just like Odin sacrificed himself. Well, no. According to all accounts (Ibn Fadlan's, Tacitus' and Adam of Bremen's) human sacrifices were buried.

So, to answer your question if we do practice human sacrifice I have to say that not anymore, but that this has been in a sense replaced by a sense of voluntary self-sacrifice following Odin's example that, in the most extreme circumstances, may mean a self-sacrifice to death.

How familiar are you with Marvel Comics' Thor and the various adaptations thereof? What are your thoughts on it? Do you approve of Idris Elba being cast as Heimdall?

I'm well aware of the Thor comics and movie but I've neither read nor watched them, so I cannot judge them. I know, however, that Heimdall was played by a black man, which doesn't bother me because the Rigsthula states pretty clearly that Heimdall is the father of all kinds of men. The racist faction of our religion (whose main characteristic is that they spend most of the time discussing things related to the jews and the nazis but almost never about our religion) did bother because he's a black man and because Heimdall is "the whitest god". If they, however, did study our religion instead of spending their time talking about the 3rd Reich they'd know that Heimdall is called the whitest god in reference to hail (see the rune Haglaz, from Heimdall's aett).

Why couldn't the gods keep their own worship going for a while?

According to what I've been told by my godhi, they did and the amount of things which survived is astounding. I'm, however, not an expert in The Times of Darkness, so I can't tell you, I should ask him because he's the expert. But it's not like the gods need us to worship them in order to exist. Religion is something meant for us, not for them. My next answer will help you understand why.

What happens to Christians when we die?

Christians may go to Hellheim (not to be confused with your hell), Nastrond (the place where you're actually punished) or one of the many palaces in Asgard (Valhalla, Folkvangar, etc.) according to your acts and the decision of the Valkyries and the gods, which is taken according to the way you live and die. Your afterlife depends on the way you act, not your beliefs.

Does this mean that there's a universe ruled by a pantheon consisting of Optimus Prime, Ellen Ripley, Robocop, Eric Draven, Spock, Neo, Catwoman, Aslan, Kara Thrace, Suzie Toller (Neve Campbell's character in Wild Things), and Bill and Ted?

No. There're only 9 worlds (universes) in Yggdrasil (the whole of the multiverse) and these are alrady taken. So no, there's no world with all those gods.

Of all the possible religions to convert to, why would you choose a dead one?

Germanic neopaganism has been around for a long time, and that's excluding the small groups who kept practicing it during The Times of Darkness, so I wouldn't say it's a dead religion. An extremely minoritary one, but not a dead one. Besides, is not like I choose to believe it, I just feel I have to.

Also, what evidence convinced you that your religion is the one true religion, and all other pagan religions are bunk? Why is Heimdall more likely to exist than Osiris or Shiva?

You don't seem to be very familiar with a polytheistic mindset. We worship our gods but since there're plenty of gods we don't deny the existence of other gods. This mindset is what allowed the tacit freedom of religion of the ancient world.

None of them are any more likely than any other. The chances of any one religion, unsupported by evidence, of being correct is infinitesimally small, but there are obvious benefits of converting to a popular one.

G-Max already answered the second part of your statement better than I could.

Really? I never heard about this here...

We're an extremely minoritary religion, so when I say plenty I mean about 50, perhaps 100. My first contact with organizations of my religion was with Basque organizations so I think you can trust me in this matter.

The Norse gods are all aware they're fated to die at ragnarok. Why?

Because everything, including the gods, has a destiny. They are aware of their particular destiny because the volva told them in the Völuspá. By knowing it they show us, who ignore it, to face our destiny with courage and the way they show us so is that, instead of stop eating Idunn's apples, they do keep eating them in order to keep themselves alive until Ragnarok.

He's a hipster.

I've heard of hipsters claiming of liking something before it was popular, not centuries after.
 
Must I die with a sword in my hand to go to Valhalla, or will a gun suffice?

All you have to do is live a virtious life (read the Hávamál very carefully) and die fight courageously. These small details such as a sword or a gun are irrelevant.

BTW, just in case you may think the Hávamál is our Bible, you better keep in mind that the Hávamál is not holy literature to us. It's just a collection of advices and other small tips.
 
We're an extremely minoritary religion, so when I say plenty I mean about 50, perhaps 100. My first contact with organizations of my religion was with Basque organizations so I think you can trust me in this matter.

I trust you, but it sounded weird to me.
Maybe it is because I had a different perception of plenty ;)
 
There were temples of our gods, the most important and famous of them all was the temple at Uppsala. But I think you may suppose what did the Christians to them.

Our religion has always refered to conduct its rituals in the open, so temples were and are a rarity. However, I've heard of attempts of building temples to our gods. The closest of these attempts is that of the Círculo Odinista Europeo, which is building a temple in Navas de Jorquera (Albacete, Castile-la Mancha).

so do you have any sacred landscapes, like holy woods, mountains, rivers, or is praying something you just do anywhere you settle down outside?

do you pray alone or in groups?
if in groups, what do the rituals look like?
 
Christians may go to Hellheim (not to be confused with your hell), Nastrond (the place where you're actually punished) or one of the many palaces in Asgard (Valhalla, Folkvangar, etc.) according to your acts and the decision of the Valkyries and the gods, which is taken according to the way you live and die. Your afterlife depends on the way you act, not your beliefs.

And suddenly your religion sounds like one of the best religions I've heard of.
 
No. There're only 9 worlds (universes) in Yggdrasil (the whole of the multiverse) and these are alrady taken. So no, there's no world with all those gods.

:sad:

That would have been an awesome religion.
 
Do you consider yourself of Germanic blood? Are there any sizable Celt-Iberian druidism followers where you live? What's you attitude towards other pagan movements?

Slavic paganism in particular?


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