Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
I don't really know what point you're making here.I read your further notes on what Marx thought with interest, but with all the intellectual rigorousness you display when doing so, you still manage to make a to me not very sensible maneuver which conveniently leads you to not actually argue an important gist of my post, that about the inconsistency
"He wants to show" - yes, but whatever and however he wants to show it, it will in the end have to take the form of a model. It doesn't matter if it is a comprehensive model, or a scientific model, or a model pulled out of his arse, it has to be a model. Because what is a model? It is nothing but a scenario created for the purpose of simulating versions of reality. And it is the only way we can even start to grasp reality, for actual reality is not something we can ever truly grasp in its wholeness. So weather Marx does a somersault, spits Lincoln Vampire Hunter in the face or is concerned with the "layers of appearance" of capitalism - as soon as he wants to say anything meaningful about capitalism he will do so based on a model.
Now you say that Marx was aware of the limitations of models. Well then it makes no sense for him to think to able to predict the destiny of capitalism.
Yes, any attempt to describe a social process will involve a model, however open and provisional. I don't disagree. My contention is with the suggestion that Marxism hinges on the construction of a closed and comprehensive model, something which is absent from Marx's work. Only in Capital does he present a closed model, and it is a consciously non-comprehensive model adopted for methodological purposes.
No, Marx does not believe that he can "predict the destiny of capitalism", or at least not in any immediate sense. What he identifies is the existence of certain insurmountable tendencies within capitalism, and infers from these tendencies the inevitability of capitalist crisis. He doesn't claim any specific fate for capitalism, or even insist upon a very particular relationship between crisis and revolution, he merely describes the way in which the one provides the conditions for the other.
Again, you present ideas in some Platonic sense, as things-in-themselves, which I totally reject. Ideas are relationships of meaning between subjects and their environment, of which the sort of grand, rational are merely complex abstractions. I do not begin with communism and set about realising it; I begin with the real world, and may draw together certain meanings of that world into a complex I then identify as "communism". Politic activity is not a matter of dreaming up some grandiose scheme and applying it to the world, not really, it's a matter of navigating a shifting sea of irreducibly complex actors and actions. A plan may at best provide some form of regulation, but the more general the plan becomes, the less effective this regulation, and by the time we're talking about something like reshaping a whole society, any notion of referring to blueprints is sheer fantasy.That is exactly what I think and I am afraid you misunderstood my portrayal of the French revolution or the Russian revolution. My point merely was exactly what you say, that ideas were a dimension of those processes. And that accordingly they were one necessary ingredient for those revolutions to lead where they did lead and proceed how they did proceed.
And assuming you agree with me here - where then is the logic in saying that an adherence to Communism wouldn't require rational schematics for they wouldn't precede history? It after all suffices for them to be one important dimension of history to matter.
But further on it not only matters in the sense of the future of humanity, but also regarding the individual choice to adhere to Communism. Because if we accept the inherent shortcomings of models, the reasoning that Communism had to replace Capitalism anyhow doesn't fly. Because it would constitute blind faith in whatever model predicts so. But given the willingness of Red's to apparently overlook this, there is no need at that point to further quarrel abut the model I suggested, because evidently models are accepted as powerful explanatory tools if a believe in the demise of our whole way to organize society is based on a model - which it has to if it wants to be based on anything at all other than the wish for it.. Or if on the other hand you want to reject models for history and that means reality is too complex, it can also not be concluded that Communism was some sort of natural conclusion and for the lack of "rational schematics" regarding its implementation has no leg to stand on.
Either way, it ends at a situation where without the suggestion of an actual alternative, adherence to Communism got nothing but faith.
I tend to identify with the tendency within Marxism broadly termed "autonomism", in which it is argued that revolution is (contra Lenin) not a matter of organising a revolutionary bloc and then staging a takeover, but of the struggle of the working class for practical autonomy from capital. This is a struggle that begins with, must begin with, our everyday lives. It is found in something as simple as workers trying to avoid the scrutiny of a supervisor, of taking extra time for their breaks, of attempt to obtain more time off to do what they want. Ultimately, the pursuit of this autonomy, the pursuit of humanity in inhuman conditions, leads to a confrontation with and rejection of capital, and above all with labour as a function of capital, and thus of labour itself. The worker becomes a communist not when he adopts this vision or those principles, but when he rejects his own existence as a worker. Communism is not a matter of pursuit, of driving towards some lofty set of goals: it is a matter of refusal, of refusing your present existence and of struggling to achieve a new one by whatever means you can. That isn't something that can be planned for, only some thing that can be done.
The ultra-guache theorist Gilles Dauvé once responded (I'm paraphrasing, but I hope closely) to a claim by some leftist group or other that "those who can imagine a better world can make communism" with the assertion that, on the contrary, those who can make communism can imagine a better world. That's about where I stand on the matter; the epistemic privilege of insight into a post-capitalist world can only be achieved by practice, by the activity of revolution itself, by actually making that world and witnessing what you make, and not simply by thinking about it. All we can achieve is utopias, and while that may not be without value, they are necessarily speculative, fragmented and hugely unreliable, which is very far from the sort of comprehensive outline you seem to expect.