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If you agree with Marx's view that the lumpenproletariat lacks revolutionary potential are you worried about it expanding? Because its certainly looking like thats the way most developed economies are heading.

As for your question of civil servants I think it depends for the most part on the kind of civil servant you mean. Certainly many of them are involved in the productive processes, managing public resources, enforcing safety standards. Certainly, your claim that they are essentially paid by the capitalist class to manage things is correct, so I have to wonder what appreciable difference there is between a civil servant working on social security and an accountant working in corporate payroll.

Apologies for any problems with this post, I am on a cell phone.

I had a talk with Inspector Cribb about this. Our conclusion is that Marx is wrong. There's no reason they shouldn't be able to organize progressively. After all, they were organized regressively in 1848, when they were Louis-Napoleon's base of power.

As for the civil service comparison, I was attempting to cover things under umbrella terms, and I could not come up with a decent explanation for the difference between these two seperate-from-production groups, so I dropped the effort entirely. I don't think they're similar at all.

I'm not sure about relations between Marxist socialism and non-Marxist socialism.

I'm not sure of the question you're asking.

With all respect to your political views, I ask you as somebody who is becoming more and more libertarian lately.

You certainly realize that making such a statement is, in fact, a statement against someone's political views. As if we worried about it being respected! But continue, I have thick skin.

What social privileges you deem acceptable, and are there any social systems you find not acceptable? That is, would you support Obamacare (I'm sure they've asked you before), and health care in general? I suppose you'd say "yes" to healthcare, but I are there any restrictions you'd put to it? Would it cover abortion? Lung cancer treatment for smokers?

The restrictions are up to the society that creates it. But the Affordable Care Act is not universal health care, it is regulation of a still-private industry, and we almost invariably support universal health care.

Do you support work-class syndicates, which's members get benefits as labourers? I am asking this as a citizen of a country where being a syndicate member gets you 5 more days paid leave.

I'm not sure how a syndicate works under capitalism, but socialist syndicates I have a certain sympathy towards. What you describe sounds more like a labor union.

Also, what is your view on bureaucracy? Do you think that social systems could exist without it? How would you review the idea of a privately owned social systems, or social systems ran by non-government structures? Private schools? Co-operative pension funds?

Weber said the decisive reason for the advance of bureaucratic organization has always been its purely technical superiority over any other form of organization. It is inevitable in order to coordinate large numbers of people and large enterprises, whether they are publicly owned or privately owned. Bureaucracy can become cumbersome at times, though, so it's our duty to make sure it's as streamlined and effective as possible at whatever it needs to do.

I do not think schools should be able to be privately funded. I don't know what a privately owned social system is, you would have to give me an example, but seeing as we oppose the existence of private property as such, I'm certain that I'm against it.

I realize how many times this question must have been asked, but are you a classical Marxist or something else?

Hopefully this exchange will prove insightful:

What are you actually mean to when you say that Cheezy's politics are "idealistic"? Generally speaking, the term isn't a subjective measure of realism, it's a fairly neutral description of an ideology as being based in the assumption that it is possible to make the world conform to a series of preconceived ideals, which wouldn't be a particularly fair or even useful description of Cheezy politics which lie in terms of praxis (and he's entirely free to correct me if he feels this to be inaccurate) somewhere between the Eurocommunist and Front-orientated Trotskyist traditions. If, however, you're simply using "idealistic" to describe any ambition for radical social and politicla change, than I can only say that you're muddying the water of the debate by taking as an unstated your premise the impossibility of real change in one direction or the other, and from this concluding that all politics orientated towards radical change are equally (in)valid, rather than actually making a case for why this might be so.

Nonsense, you're vindicating me fantastically, and I appreciate that in a most UnGentlemanly way. :hatsoff: I just need you to qualify this word for me:

Eurocommunist

It may be the wrong word, but what I'm basically getting at is that you'd identify yourself with that part of the Leninist tradition drawing on Western Marxism- Gramsci, Lukács, etc.

Ah okay, yes. I don't think we have a word for that. :lol: As of late, the last year or so, I've taken an increasingly keen interest in the uniquely American brand of socialism as envisioned by Eugene Debs and Bill Haywood; combining the better parts of pre-USSR European socialism with an almost anarcho-syndicalist approach, and given an American flair. Which is why I don't really like the compartmentalization that we communists are so obsessed with; unless one literally draws one's entire understanding of socialist/communist thought from a single fountain, our ideas, theories, and analyses are aggregates from multiple sources.
 
In Western culture it is taboo to discuss your salary. Even people at the same firm will not know - at least for sure - what their co-workers earn. Does this taboo damage workers in general?
 
I believe in the US it's not a taboo.
 
Hmmmm. Must have confused you with another country then. Still, Quackers' question is a good one.
 
I really didn't want to offend your political views, as yours do not offend me. It was just a statement to make my questions better understandable.

While on the topic of salary, do you think that workers should get a fixed salary, or can you see a system, where the workers get a percent of the final product, implemented within a social state?

Also, a side question: in the USSR and its satellites, tips were prohibited. Can you reason this, or you don't mind tips in restaurants, cantinas and hotels?
 
While on the topic of salary, do you think that workers should get a fixed salary, or can you see a system, where the workers get a percent of the final product, implemented within a social state?

It is up to the workers of each business to decide.

Also, a side question: in the USSR and its satellites, tips were prohibited. Can you reason this, or you don't mind tips in restaurants, cantinas and hotels?

The Soviet Union had it right. Where tips are the primary source of one's income, one is effectively at the mercy of other people to be charitable towards them in order to survive. This is obviously immoral: one stops being a server, and quickly becomes a servant. How humiliating it is, to have to sycophantically gravel before another for even a paltry charity!
 
But cheezy, the U.S. must be the only place in the world where you have to pay a tip and if you don't you have to have very serious cause. In other places it's not necessarily as substantial and is a measure of your personal appreciation for the service, and not the whole 'OMG absolute percentage or bust'; but if for whatever reason you don't tip it's not frowned upon.
 
The tip thing, it should be noted, was introduced during the revolution by service workers themselves, rather than handed down from the bureaucracy. The same thing happened in the Paris Commune, in Catalonia during the 1936 revolution, and I believe that there are a lot of cooperative cafés and restaurants that have a similar policy.
 
In the Coffee thread you mentioned an interesting thing about international trade and extortionate profits from surplus value. For some reason, I feel that the Marxist view of traders (i.e., anyone who buys and sells for profit without making any changes of their own) is close to the Confucianist one, more specifically, the one in feudal Japan.
 
The tip thing, it should be noted, was introduced during the revolution by service workers themselves, rather than handed down from the bureaucracy. The same thing happened in the Paris Commune, in Catalonia during the 1936 revolution, and I believe that there are a lot of cooperative cafés and restaurants that have a similar policy.

its interesting that a co-op restaurant near where i shop, had a pay what you want policy but went to a fixed charge payment system but has just gone back to pay what ever you feel like policy because there takings actually decreased with a fixed charge... the staff have a share of profits as payment
 
Communism is usually placed at the far left of the political spectrum.

Do you agree with this, and do you believe the political spectrum is of any actual use?
 
Yes and no. I think the spectrum can be useful, but it's not the all-encompassing metric that a lot of people seem to believe, so whether or not it can be used to describe a given communism depends on the nature of that communism. I understand "left-wing" as describing an orientation within the terms of the state, and so not properly able to describe orientations which sit outside of those terms. A state-orientated communism, such as that of Lenin, can thus be described as "far-left", while a communism orientated away from the state, such as that of anarchist communists like Kropotkin or council communists like Pannekoek, can't really be understood as left-wing.
 
Would someone be a Communist if he or she didn't believe in the viability of an actual Communist society? And if not, can it be said that what differentiates a Communist from a Socialist is such a believe?
(i.e., anyone who buys and sells for profit without making any changes of their own) is close to the Confucianist one, more specifically, the one in feudal Japan.
I recently read that already Cicero was opposed to profit trading (unless fair or some such). Would be willing to bet that the same applies to those old Greek philosophers. Generally I am starting to get the impression that though-out the human history of civilization profit due to trade or interests was heavily shunned on. It is funny that today we even by the authority of the sate artificially enhance such a situation, and I mean beyond property rights. I am thinking of wholesales were only business-owners are allowed to buy. And of course, there is this whole all-money-is-debt-with-interests thing.
 
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