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One of the questions of the ages. I really wish I had a definitive asnwer or a response here. But this is one of those real difficult ones that we have to take with at least a measure of faith. Over the years, as a Christian, I have grown in understanding of the nature of God, and His Word (The Bible) Faith is like that, you can build upon it, and it gets stronger. But at some point we have to admit that we have only a finite understanding of what is going on in the universe, and God sees things with a different viewpoint than we do.
If we see things with a finite viewpoint, how are we to know that we are comprehending the totality of God's wishes? If God were to relay his wishes to us, would that not require he debase his perfect being to understand what we think?

The point is that there is something in the nature of God, that allowed evil to happen in His perfect creation. The Bible is clear that God didn't create this evil, His highest creation, Lucifier did.
God did create Lucifer with free will. Is God not then responsible for the evils perpetrated by Lucifer as a result of God's gift?
Like I said, this is one of the questions of the ages and has been a stumbling block for people to accept, or even considering accepting the existance of God. But then again, God wants us to take a step of faith towards Him. It has always been that way.
How are we to know that God's final attempt at having us back in communion with him is your take on Christianity, or Christianity in general?
 
I dont wanna read the entire thread

but does modern cosmology challenge your lack of "religion"?

I think our expanding knowledge of the cosmos is a challenge to both believers and atheists

+1 for the agnostics ;)
 
No. We are learning more and more that the universe did not require a supernatural force in order to come in to existence.
 
Why would it be a challenge to atheists? There is no reason to believe that a supernatural power is responsible for anything.
 
I dont wanna read the entire thread

but does modern cosmology challenge your lack of "religion"?

I think our expanding knowledge of the cosmos is a challenge to both believers and atheists

+1 for the agnostics ;)

Ah, but agnostics are atheists.
 
Would we be better off if bin Laden had been an atheist?

honestly, probably not. There are some dogmatic religious beliefs people might lose if they stop being religious... but for the most part, their beliefs come from themselves and not from god. Its why theres so much schism imo. If you dont like what you hear, you interpret it to what you'd like. god is often a tool to justify your belief that comes from you (because god said so is a better authoritative argument than because I said so) . You'll have less justification for your belief if you become an atheist and you'll have to defend your belief in other ways, but it doesnt always mean you'll change your belief when they are challeneged neither. Being an atheist is not necessary synonymous with being a rational thinker.
 
atheists know god doesn't exist, agnostics dont know

and dont seem to care much ;)

if thats your definition, just about every atheist in this forum will tell you that they are not atheist according to your definition.

and its because its a terrible definition.
 
I believe there is only one God, and all the other ones are man's imagination of the one God, so you are off the hook there. You cannot be an atheist to the other gods, since all that would be doing is having a different opinion than other humans. I would propose that all men who imagine their own god are just as atheist as one who claims he is an atheist. Since humanism has in modern times offered man an opportuntiy to be a-religious, why do you feel the term atheist more appropriate than humanist? To me it seems that atheist is just one who is against God, not one who declares there is no God. Wouldn't it just be more appropriate to say ask a humanist, instead of atheist? Or do you believe there may be a God, but not any of the ones mentioned above?

I don't believe in any of the Gods mentioned by any religion.

I would allow for the idea that there could be a being powerful enough to make what we know of as the universe, from somewhere else in the universe (such as a pre-existing universe we can't detect with our telescopes) however, that possibility is also one I consider dubious at best. And I certainly do not believe this being is magical, performs miracles, answers prayers, or even holds our souls in an afterlife. I don't believe in the supernatural. I don't really believe in that creator being either. While I can't know the odds, my personal perspective is that existence already exists. It was not put here by anyone, because that implies existence already was somewhere and then someone else made more of it. It's just a turtle walking on top of a bigger turtle. What's that turtle walking on?

It's not turtles all the way down. Reality got here on its own. It's absurd, in my opinion, to believe that someone made existence, because that implies they were already here, inside non-existence.... which means something already existed. Either the universe always was, in some form, or it began without someone making it do so.


How can religions be attributed so many faults in society throughout history, yet when separated and scrutinized, they are lumpes together into a single religious entity? Don't you think that the various religious beliefs affect the moral and cultural outcome in society the same way that political views do?

I would agree that not all religions have the same harmful/positive effects. There are associated philosophies which can have good or bad outcomes for believing in them.

Yes, I would agree that certain religions may be less bad, or better, than others. That said, I'm of the opinion you can hold any useful philosophical or moral viewpoint while also not believing in a religious doctrine, and I feel that works best for me.

Do most atheists feel superior over religious people? (Serious question - if you're an atheist, can you honestly say you don't?)

Can't speak for most atheists.

As for how I feel, does a scientist who believes his theory is closer to the truth than any other proposed theory feel that he is superior to all other scientists?

No.

In fact, he might consider himself just a voice in a choir, and while scientists who came before him had fewer facts to work from, still produced excellent theories and were brilliant people.

Just because one feels their theory is more correct, that does not imply a sense of superiority. In fact, holding "the correct" religious viewpoint doesn't imply any greater value or status at all.... if you so happen to have picked the correct religion (or no religion, if there's no supernatural anything) that does not necessarily mean there's anything extraordinary about you.

What is the most ridiculous religion that you know people who actually worship it.

In one sense, they're all equally unbelievable to me.

Scientology tells a story that just about every sane person hears, and thinks "man, there's no way anyone can believe that...." and yet, there's nonsense of that magnitude in mainstream religions. What baffles me is that Scientology being a new and non-traditional religion still gained popularity even though everything was working against it.

IMO it shows that people are very vulnerable to suggestion, far too much so. To fit in, I believe, people will say or do almost anything. And that is what leads to fascism, if I could offer a commentary.

However, I would suggest that certain religions who preach less about fantasy and more about living a good and decent life, and don't condemn people who don't believe in it, are my favorite religions. I don't have to agree with them to coexist happily with them, and that is why I consider them better.

I also do not think it's necessary for everyone to become atheist to live a great life. You can have a great life as a religious adherent. You can have a bad life as an atheist. If religion leads you somewhere good, that's fine.... my only suggestion to people is to allow for some doubt.

Certainty is not that healthy a thing. Even stuff we think we're certain of in science is open for debate still. Allow for doubt. That is a sign of a balanced outlook.

Why are there so many evangelistic atheists? I mean it's by far most common on the internet, why do some many try to push their non-belief onto others?

With religious evangelism, at least there is a reason behind it [god(s)], but if you don't believe in a god, why do you need to convince others not to believe?

While I don't try to persuade religious people to stop believing, and I cease sharing my views with them when they ask me to, I find that when a discussion opens up about religion, the conversation invariably turns to why I'm an atheist, why don't I believe, and haven't you tried my personal faith yet.

Well, for fairness, the same questions can be posed to the believer. Why are you religious? Haven't you asked these questions yet? Why don't you doubt these things that seem really doubt-worthy? Have you examined your beliefs at all?

I don't believe that is evangelism, it's conversation.

However, I can see why some atheists try to convert; because they believe that too much faith can blind people to rational thinking and consequences. They believe they are making the world a better place.

It's none of my business what people believe. I'll ask them why, and share my views, but it's not my mission in life to convert people.

People who have been asked the questions, and examined their doubts, and still choose to believe, are folks who might have real belief. I'm not going to step on that. I'm looking out for folks who only 'believe' because society tells them to.

I don't think you need to force yourself to fit in by pretending you're in touch with God. If you go to church and wonder why you're there, maybe there's a reason why.

That said, if you decide God is right for you, that's fine with me. I can't say life without belief would necessarily be better. If someone believes truly the only reason why people are good is because of fear of punishment, and that is true for them, then fine... society is better off with their fear of punishment to keep them in line.

But rare is the person I think that would be true for. People 'believe' in God and break the laws of society all the time. Clearly they're not afraid of God, or else there wouldn't still be crime. So I don't think it follows that the idea of God makes people better.

how can the world come to be without any higher being?

If by world you mean universe, I would counter with:

How could the higher being come to be without an existence to inhabit already?

If the argument is, the universe cannot come from nothing, therefore god, my argument is, god didn't live nowhere before making the universe. God was somewhere, if he was anywhere.

The universe either always was, in some form, or began without a hand to move it. It's more plausible in my view. Also, the universe really doesn't look like it was designed; too much is decided by chance. One freak asteroid can ruin your day, and it has before.


Would a long-form birth certificate of the son or daughter of a deity make you a believer of that deity?

Serious answer to a likely non-serious question:

There's probably a way God or gods could prove themselves to me. In fact it would probably be quite easy. The fact that they do not means either they're not interested in proving their existence to me, or that they don't exist.


Anyway I always wanted to ask an Athiest this:
Do athiets believe a human has a soul?

I can only speak for myself, but I would suggest that atheists are not likely to believe in anything supernatural, including spirits, ghosts, souls, angels, demons, or magic.

I don't believe humans have souls, no. I think that my consciousness ends when I die, and there's nothing left of me but atoms and molecules.


If evolution is real, why haven't men evolved a way over the couple million years so that doesn't hurt so bad to get hit in the groin?

There are dedicated threads for evolution, and this particular red herring threatens to drive the entire thread off-topic.

The short answer, however, is that feeling pain in the groin doesn't affect your ability to mate. In fact, feeling pain in the groin makes you learn really quickly to avoid getting hit in the groin, which makes you more likely to be able to mate.



Looking over the thread I can see others have also responded to these; these are my responses, apologies for any overlap. Just consider it "me too" if I responded the same way.
 
Serious question to any atheist, what would make you believe in God, and do you believe the existence of a God is possible?

Break the laws of physics on command, and allow people to document it on camera and allow scientists to observe. Bring some people back from the dead. Hold the sun, miniaturized in the palm of your hands, and then put it back in space. Basically, behave like Q from Star Trek. And then, I'd probably believe I'd either gone insane, or that there are Q-like beings out there. At least one of them.

As for God, I'd probably settle for a question and answer session of at least an hour's length. If God is real, he could prove himself to me merely by answering all my questions about God, because God should be able to easily answer all my questions and defeat any argument I could come up with which suggests he's not real.

I'm not one to be irrational about belief in God. The proof I would need would be fairly scientific, however.


Do you consider atheism a religion? I do, but my teacher insists it's a philosophy.

If you consider "completely invisible" to be a color, then atheism is a religion. Atheism is a lack of religion. To classify it as a religion, I suppose makes more sense than classifying it as a shape or a punk rock band. But it's still not a religion.

Would we be better off if bin Laden had been an atheist?

I doubt it.

A person who butchers the innocent would do so whether or not they believe in God, if they're crazy enough to believe God approves of such stupidity.

I'm not going to blame religion for Bin Laden. Humanity is full of jerk-wads of all stripes.

You'd have to have a fairly weak mind to interpret religion as advocating mass murder of non combatants, and to have a mind where you were on the fence about it until you discovered religion.

It might be true that religion makes you more wacky in maybe 1 in a (large number) of cases, but the same would be true about folks who would behave evilly just because they had no religion.

Weak minded folks who are held together only because they believe or don't believe in God, you can't really blame the religion when it is the thing that pushes them over the edge. They were already psychos.
 
If bin Laden were an atheist, he probably wouldn't be a mass murderer. He would probably be some greedy, heartless oil tycoon in Saudi Arabia. He wouldn't have any reason to be a terrorist without religion because of the massive inheritance that he got when his father died.
 
El_Machinae I had meant to back to you on this one: This would make a very interesting topic, maybe even it's own thread. People who have changed going one way or the other, and why. But if it is not to personal, I'd like to know more

It's not a very complex story. The tradition that I was raised in included having a personal relationship with Jesus, and we nurtured our ability to commune with the holy spirit. Over time, I realised that other people could not tell that they were NOT communing with the holy spirit, and I also realised that my communing with the holy spirit was not true (and no one else could tell). So, I knew that our tradition was lacking in certain ways. What really astounded me was that other people just couldn't tell that their beliefs (the specific beliefs) were bunk. I kept thinking there was something I was missing, so I did not apostate, but migrated to different Christian traditions.

So, the fact that people couldn't tell their personal relationship was false, was (and continues to be) big.

Later on, the evil of the Christian god really bothered me. The Flood being a big one. Yeah, I know, God has moral permission to slaughter people in horrific ways ... but it still bugged me, y'know?

As I got older, the Problem of Evil really bothered me. It is probably what caused my snapping away from thinking God existed. There's no solution to the Problem of Evil that's at all reasonable. Each solution limits God. I found that to believe in God would require believing in a lesser being than what I was raised with. The evidence for such a lesser being is obviously as scant as for various other putative gods.

Finally, as I grew in my knowledge of the sciences, I realised that the history being presented in the Bible was not true. It's actually obviously not true, unlike what the various churches believe.

On the moral front, I realised that the Christian tradition was presenting a story which is actually immoral. I find it disgusting that Samuel (for example) is presented to children as some type of hero of the Bible. And I get irritated when people use Scripture to justify their morals, when those Scriptures are not themselves a proper source of moral foundation. People are told to love God, but then they end up describing a god that's more objectively wicked than there's any evidence for. They suggest that loving the more evil version of God than actually might exist is 'good'. It's not. It's wrong. Yes, it is moral to love beings, but it's wrong to describe imperfect beings as perfect. It's wrong to let your love for an imperfect being cause you to describe their wickedness as good. Objectively.

So, my apostasy is probably due to the fact that the religions are like houses built on shifting sand. They're stable now, but they're not actually stable. When it comes to moral thinking and knowledge seeking, I'd rather work with actual reality, and build my way from there.

but does modern cosmology challenge your lack of "religion"?
Sure! I find more places in which entities could exist that embody traits associated with gods. For example, while I don't think that there's a personification of GOOD in the universe, I can imagine that our universal bubble was created intentionally can as easily think that it's an unintentional event.
 
I have one question to all local atheist: Were you raised a an atheist, or have you "deconverted" at some point along the way?
 
I have one question to all local atheist: Were you raised a an atheist, or have you "deconverted" at some point along the way?

i'm baptised, parents never really cared about religion all that much, and so i had trouble believing my religion teacher even in elementary school.
first communion at 6 years old, and i hated everything about it.
no confirmation anymore as i refused it, much to the dismay of my grandparents.

if you dont get those bible stories told often and told as if they were actually true from a very early age on, you will find them hard to believe very soon during your childhood.

i mean even a 6 year old can figure out people cant really walk on water. also, kids who arent indoctrinated to trust priests as authority figures will find them pretty scary an creepy.
 
Then I assume you admit to the possibility that my God is real?

The Christian god typically suffers from several logical contradictions which render him impossible, though I've known Christians whose interpretations are certainly possible. Of course, possible doesn't mean worthy of consideration... it merely becomes one of the great many possibilities that are far too unlikely to be worth consideration, such as the existence of Xenu or the belief that the Earth is flat.
 
Ah, but agnostics are atheists.

:nope: Atheists are convinced that there is no god, of any description. Agnostics don't know if there is any god of any description. Or, in some case, don't care if there is a god.
 
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