A) 5%
B) 6.5%
C) To a level, not a lot, not too little.
D) I don't want to generalize but I and many others hate them a lot.
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A) 5%
B) 6.5%
C) To a level, not a lot, not too little.
D) I don't want to generalize but I and many others hate them a lot.
innonimatu
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The Shah made Iran into a great power and people like you, the west, never likes it when other countries in Asia or somewhere else becomes better than you. You are pissed that Iran was becoming better and greater than UK slowly. In fact we gave loans to UK for fixing their water dam! LOL.
Persia's last shah was a coward and a weakling. Your assertions to the contrary cannot change reality, better get used to it. And Iran was little more than a british protectorate from the beginning of the 20th century to the 1950s, when british control over the Middle East had to be relinquished to the US. It wasn't turned into a colony outright because, like Afghanistan, it served as a convenient buffer between the Russian and British Empires. It remained an american "protectorate" until the 1979, and was lucky enough to claim its full sovereignty at a time when the Cold War balance prevented any overt application of military power to subdue it again.
Iran hasn't been a great power at least since the Mongols showed up. And any attempt to make it into one now will only bring destruction: it doesn't have the resources or the demographics to be anything more that a regional power, and it would be better of just defending its own sovereignty and leaving ruinous imperial wars to others. Look at what such ambitions brought to its neighbor.
You are a dangerous nationalist, of the kind blinded by wishful thinking. Dangerous to your own nation.
Which is what it does and has done. AFAIK Iran has started no wars in the ME in this or the last century. It's political posturing is part and parcel and response to the US political posturing. If you think about it, if your history has been dominated by kow towing to Western will, and then you get rid of it, there's no better way of maintaining popularity than focusing peoples attention away from their own country and towards The Great Satan.
If people understood the half of the politics in the ME, they'd stop being such idiots and supporting blindly any policy in the ME based solely on Western propaganda and bs. I did it's a much healthier perspective to be on the fence not enamoured by the colossal weight of horse . .. .. .. . that comes from both Bush and Ahmedinejad.
Recently the Iranian president flew into Iraq where he was welcomed with great diplomatic theatre. He offered Iraq a loan of $1bn dollars to strengthen their infra structure and strong trade ties between the two historically political rivals. Still this was spun as evil by the West and by idiots.
When Bush flew in there was no cavalcade no fan fare and no diplomatic greeting and he flew into a heavily guarded military compound, and he'd freed Iraq from an oppressive dictator. Says it all really.
Berzerker
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And yet the Cold War was won in 1979... Coming out of Vietnam we avoided several potential proxy wars and lured the Russians into Afghanistan leading to their downfall.
Berzerker
Deity
In America, king's suck...
First of all.. if you want to discuss about His Imperial Majesty Shahanshah Aryamehr then make a new thread. I will be more than happy to discuss wit you there.
Secondly, the fact that USA and UK sent Shah ultimatums proves that they had no power over Shah.
Now go back to your hole. PS: It's Iran, not Persia. Get it right. You can't even say the name of the country let alone discussing my King. Who are you in the first place to discuss about HIM Shahanshah Aryamehr? Go back to your own country and your fake "democracy"... "Hey guys, this is USA.. we have democracy.. but you must follow dictator laws! Cops have dictator power! Everything else is dictatorship but this is democracy ok!?!?"
Same thing goes for any other country.
Well in America everything suck. Look at your country and come back here again.
I'd rather live in the US than Iran, I'd rather live in the UK than the US. Iranian Democracy is an oxymoron. At least if the person in power is a ****** you can get rid of them and chose amongst anyone in the country to replace them, in Iran it's either an Imam or an Imam or an Imam, that's not a democracy that's a theocracy by any other definition. Fine if you're happy with that, but I'll take my civil liberties with actual freedom thanks and a side order of fries and a large coke. 
Don't ever make me defend Bush again, I really dislike the man's politics! Guys a moron and anyone who still believes in his fascist state and ideals is likewise a moron.
Thank God for the two terms rule, any more and I suspect WWIII would have happened by the fourth term.
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Don't ever make me defend Bush again, I really dislike the man's politics! Guys a moron and anyone who still believes in his fascist state and ideals is likewise a moron.
Thank God for the two terms rule, any more and I suspect WWIII would have happened by the fourth term.
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Oerdin
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History is a bit mixed. The last Shah was restored to the thrown in the 1950's by the British and Americans in order to assist in repelling the Soviet occupation of Northern Iran which occurred during WW2 when the British and Soviets agreed to jointly partition the country. It seems the royal family wanted to nationalize the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (which produced most of the country's oil and provided most of the export earnings) and might declare neutrality allowing them to sell oil to the Axis as well as shut down the Iran to Russia transport routes which were thing critical to providing western made arms & munitions to the USSR in order to fight the Nazis. Western made good were shipped to Iran and then transported to the USSR to assist in fighting the Nazis so neither the UK nor Russia wanted this route closed while the Shah wanted to assert his independence and use the war as a chance to allow Iran to become a truly independent power. The UK and the USSR didn't like this idea so they jointly invaded.
In the 1950's the UK and the US teamed up to put Pahlavi on the thrown with the understanding that the restored Shah would assist the west in fighting the Soviets and forcing an end to the Soviet occupation of northern Iran. Until the 1970's he did so then as oil prices rose he gained more money and once again started acting independently. The Shah's big problem is he wanted to be a total dictator and spent his money on increasing his own power and the power of the military while repressing most average Iranians; even forming a Gestapo like secret police which would imprison people for even minor offenses.
The Shah's big problems started when he began pissing off his foreign backers as well as his neighbors and his supposed subjects. In 1974 the Kurds of Iraq rebelled and the Shah offered them support (look up the history of the anfal). The Shah wanted the Kurds to stop being guerrilla fighters and to start holding group a la WW1. The Kurds hated the Iranians and refused to trust the shah unless the US assured them of support; which Harry Kissinger did. The US was to supply arms and munitions to the Kurds which would travel through Iran and be delivered to the Kurds. Everything went well for the Kurds until in 1978 the Shah offered a separate peace with Iraq's Saddam Hussein. saddam offered to give Iran the eastern edge of the Shat al-Arab water way in exchange for betraying the Kurds and the Shah agreed and then shut down all resupply to the Kurds.
Hundreds of thousands of Kurds died as their supplies were shut down and the Americans were outraged by the Shah's breaking of the agreement. A year later the Shah faced a revolution because of how repressive his secret police where and he asked the Americans for help but the Americans told the Shah he was a traitor who had broken agreements and refused to help him. The Shah lost the revolution and Iraq's Saddam Hussein decided that the anarchy of the revolution was an ideal time to regain the ceded territory and so invaded Iran starting the eight year long Iran-Iraq war.
Oerdin
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It should be said that the reasons the British and Americans were so eager to help the Kurds rebel against the Baithists was because the Baithists nationalized all foreign owned property in Iraq; including the Anglo-Iraqi Oil Company. Helping the Kurds fight the Iraqi government was an easy way to cause big problems for the Iraqi government and show their displeasure while the Shah was eager to destabilize his largest region competitor. The Shah's mistake was forgetting that he had pissed off his own people with his repressive government and then pissing off his foreign supporters by breaking agreements. So that when faced with revolution he found himself without any friends willing to help him.
demokratickid
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Why is the country called Iran and not Persia? Persia sounds cooler...
plarq
Crazy forever
Iran is outside of Europe sphere.
So is your question "Do you consider yourself white?"
No. Why should we?
Because Iran has always been Iran. Even during the early times when the Aryans came to Iran, they called the country Iran and Iran means Land of Aryans, and Aryan means Noble.. Land of Noble people.
Persia comes from the group that founded Iran, Pars.
Iran is much better than Persia. Persia is just what the west called Iran.
And for those who want to discuss about His Imperial Majesty Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi may start a new thread and I will discuss it there. Insulting is not accepted.
philippe
FYI, I chase trains.
that's an dangerous attitude, around here it's a sign of common sense to mock the king.
It's not like I don't expect this. His Imperial Majesty basically showed the finger to the west world so no wonder you hate him.
Pretty fun Iran was getting better than UK and USA together at that time, we had stronger army than Israel and better economy than lots of European countries.
plarq
Crazy forever
Are you... Iran in 1970s better than US and UK?
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