Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

Glossysushi lock town. Just think about it; why would she get this amount of heat and votes if she is scum? If she is scum with that amount of post and motivation, she would be leading that scum team - I highly doubt her scum buddies would be voting her in that situation, especially when it's easy enough to find reasons that she is town as explanation for not doing so. I doubt all those who are voting for her/finding her scummy are town, as I still haven't seen a strong case/argument against her.

On the other side, it's obvious why the scum would want her out, when she is this dedicated.

I'm not as convinced as you are that she's town, but in light of your posts defending her, I'm willing to give Sushi the benefit of the doubt/some time to produce results, plus I think it will be fun to have her around for a while, so Unvote

Uncomfortable about voting Cuth quite yet as well, since what Legato said about Cuth's wolf play being less aggressive resonates somewhat with my experience playing with him, and I think is part of the reason I didn't trust my initial read on him.

Mat is on my radar atm, but I'm not sure why. It's a very vague feeling. We'll see how it develops as the game progresses.

Vote:Al Sips I have no objections to.
 
Also, whoops, forgot to refresh the page before I posted. There's something else I want to speak on.

If you have reasons for a vote/lean, give them, IMO - meta or no. If you're Town I see no reason to leave your reasoning out. It helps explain your thought process and makes it easier to determine your motivation/legitimacy in voting after flips. How much 'proof' you provide/leave out is up to you (and although there's no obligation to read every linked game etc, how far others decide to dig into that or not is up to them). All of that and how it's used in the context of the game is helpful in deciding alignments, especially later game. So, if you have reasons, give them. Otherwise it just looks like a cop-out/scummy to say 'I have reasons but *convenient excuse to leave them out*'

FTR I very often make this kind of statement (i.e. generalities about town strategy) when I'm a wolf. Easier to fake being helpful with this kind of stuff than it is with reads. Don't know if that's alignment indicative for Cass or not, but it's something to keep in mind.
 
Pouter Pigeon approaching clear status.

I agree with the vague feeling on Mat, I have the same thing.

Cass trending downwards.
 
Visor - Why the change to Al Sips, brave move given the bashing LL has had from Zack "lock" Town.
I don't understand why one of LL/Zack has to be scum. It's more likely landlubber than Zack, but as visor said, I can see town and town tunneling going on here.
I don't like drawing attention to myself in any game, really, but in this case, it's because there was so much going on, I lost the thread some time ago. However, since I do have a pair of d10s in my bedroom... *roll* Vote: KingMorgan.
What does this mean? Why King Morgan?

This is Al's total contribution, his first post was misguided but he recovers well in the 2nd!

Not sure I could vote for him based on those posts but I can see why you like him for a scummer.



Really? I don't buy this at all, not from you Arahkor, no way have you rolled the dice - there is too much info in this thread for you roll a dice as a townie, thats a scum move based on your meta.

5 glossy
4 visor
4 cuthilius

There seems to be 4 ppl who have not voted, so it seems we can't come to a majority as yet. I think maybe its time to move on, not sure we can achieve much more in this phase and more pages mean more complaints.

Is there a compromise candidate for the lynch, post your top 3 scummers.

1. Visor
2. Landlubber
3.Arakhor

Question.... Why is Visor still on the top of your list, and why aren't you willing to vote Arakhor atm, even if he's on your top three scum list?
Visorslash probably also always town
So start finding some new wagons.

Anyone is welcome to join me on Murska, I haven't liked his posts so far.
Murska's actually been slightly town for me, but there are a few things about vote timing, lynch preference, and vote reasoning that I don't quite like.

Unvote

Eh. I suppose I can Vote: Al Sipslclar.

I'd rather he was here to post more than the two times he already has, but there's still time. And my current vote isn't generating pressure.

I wouldn't lynch out of Glossy, Visor and Cuth just yet. Maybe in a day or two.

Why not yet? Why wait? What are your scum reads? Even better, could you give a want to lynch list for today?
Here are edse's posts. There are three that are game-related, one is replying Lassie saying that Ken's probably town, and wait i just read the last one

uuhhhh

soo legato doesn't count?

i think he's the only one who's used meta, and?

lol are you seriously trusting Visor? because he has a large portion of the votes on him as well

um i really don't know what to do with this

Okay, anyway. He votes Zack for a mislynch, which is probably a joke, but at that point why bother, and then votes me for... :confused:
Soooo. Do you want to lynch edse today, or are you just trying to redirect attention from you?
 
Oops, my bad. Al Sips =/= Arakhtor. Rephrase my question. Would you be willing to vote Arakhtor now?
@King Morgan

*put in an audience
 
I'm not as convinced as you are that she's town, but in light of your posts defending her, I'm willing to give Sushi the benefit of the doubt/some time to produce results, plus I think it will be fun to have her around for a while, so Unvote

Uncomfortable about voting Cuth quite yet as well, since what Legato said about Cuth's wolf play being less aggressive resonates somewhat with my experience playing with him, and I think is part of the reason I didn't trust my initial read on him.

Mat is on my radar atm, but I'm not sure why. It's a very vague feeling. We'll see how it develops as the game progresses.

Vote:Al Sips I have no objections to.
I think we mindmelded over the Mat scum ping earlier. I have him as town atm, but there are a few things that still bother me, but right now I cannot pinpoint them. It's a bit disturbing. Another thing is that if Mat is scum, I don't think he leaves a lot of spew. I wouldn't be able to find his wolf buddies after his flip, just based off of interactions/lack thereof.
 
I can get behind Vote: Al Sips for now. Reasoning being he has four lines of text this game which basically include a joke vote and a vote on Visor. Not entirely against the vote on Visor at that time or even now, but the reason was generic/potentially opportunistic. Sips was top poster/hugely pro-active as Town in the game I played on The Org, and I want to see if this lack of activity/engagement is alignment indicative.

<3... current leans and reasons why?

1. Okay, what's your WTL for today?

2. Very mixed, I'll address all of my reads in a later post, but right now I want to talk about you, Cass.

Your tone seems very friendly. You're posting like you're lock town (as I recall from every game I've been wolf in and you've been town in, which is every game that we've played together...).

But... There's something I'm wary about. I usually doubt that you're town when you actually are. The way you phrase things and the way you interact with other people -- I look at them and I go... Wow, that's really scummy. But you balance that with hunting and paranoia.

Your first few posts here were calmer than I've ever seen. That's not a good sign. Your tone is amazing. Your interactions have nothing questionable except for that opening joke with Visor, who I'm now convinced is town. The way you've been giving your reads and leans create a world in which you can hide behind them, and not give something super precise and clear. For instance, in your last town game, you stated your reads list... A lot. You stated your WTL list.... A lot.

Another minor thing to consider, but it may be a major tell. We'll see post game.

Where are your emoticons? Town Cass always uses emoticons. Too many, iirc. Can't even quote them without breaking Dragonmount. You also seem to use them on PerC. This site has no lack of emoticons. This may seem super nitpicky, but I am bothered that you seem more controlled with your thought process here, and have been doing a lot less buddying, which is a common practice for you as town.

I think that you're scum, Cass. Something's wrong, and whatever you say doesn't fix it.
 
@glossysushi what would you think of an edse lynch?
I don't have edse as strong town. Nowhere near. But he's a town lean for me.

From experience, last time edse was the only person I read wrong in the graveyard for Visor's Snake Cult game. Town that I saw as super scummy.

I'm not exactly getting the same thing here. Originally I had edse as stronger town, but he's not as scummy as I expected him to be. Hah!

Does that mean he's scum? I don't think so at this point, and I think we have better lynch candidates atm.

Also, why are you asking me this? Aren't I your top scum read?
 
See, there's one thing that I'm conflicted about. I like Arakhtor's vote on King Morgan, even though I find them both scummy.

King Morgan has been doing a lot of work, imo. There's something slimy and moving to thread consensus/leadership about his reads and his WTL list that I dislike, however.

Arakhtor hasn't tried very much to defend himself or to lay down reads. King Morgan isn't even near getting lynched, so why would he vote KM? It would be a good distancing attempt, in case Arakhtor is lynched today.

I could actually see this interaction as w/w.
 
All right then, I may take you off my scummers list - happy now? But only if you post your top 3.
What???
This post is kind of gross.

Why would you take him off based on him posting a WTL list?

My top 3 what? ;)

Scum: Al, still not a big fan of Cuth or BL so far but want to give some time to them.

I am more confident in my town leans at the moment.

You are still voting me afaict KM

Okay, reaction looks natural.
 
One thing, though.
I think Cuth/Cass interaction spews Cass town. Ugh. I still have a scum lean on Cass, though. Weird.

Cuth is doing a lot of white knighting, soft defending, and some buddying towards Cass.

I'm pretty sure it's never Cass as the wolf and Cuth as villa.
 
Ok for now. What other forums have you played on?
To ISO, just go here to the main Mafia/NOTW page, then click on the total-number-of-replies-link in the 'replies' column next to this game. It should open a popup list of everyone who's posted. To the far right of each name is the number of posts they've contributed. The number is a link to the ISO :D.

This is gold, thanks!
 
I don't have edse as strong town. Nowhere near. But he's a town lean for me.

From experience, last time edse was the only person I read wrong in the graveyard for Visor's Snake Cult game. Town that I saw as super scummy.

I'm not exactly getting the same thing here. Originally I had edse as stronger town, but he's not as scummy as I expected him to be. Hah!

Does that mean he's scum? I don't think so at this point, and I think we have better lynch candidates atm.

Also, why are you asking me this? Aren't I your top scum read?

Okay, perfect.
 
One thing, though.
I think Cuth/Cass interaction spews Cass town. Ugh. I still have a scum lean on Cass, though. Weird.

Cuth is doing a lot of white knighting, soft defending, and some buddying towards Cass.

I'm pretty sure it's never Cass as the wolf and Cuth as villa.

as "the" wolf?

assumptions, assumptions

i know i'm doing it too lol
 
Ok. So you were trusting my scum lean on Alette because I read her better? Fair. The only thing standing out to me is that you say you saw some things that weren't like her and that you thought she was scummy but when I asked you early on who you thought she was/if you had thoughts beyond the meta sharing being fair you didn't say/elaborate on any of this. Why?


I liked your post #673. Where are you up to now/do you have more thoughts?

I don't know her in games. I've only been in one game with her, and I have very little meta. I know her outside of games, but many people are different in games from what they are in real life and I noted a couple of things, but seeing as you seemed sure I went with what you thought.

I haven't really gotten any further in my reread, because my hand is hurting a lot today. I also just got home an hour or so ago. Will see what I can get done later, but I don't have anything new per now.
 
I'm not sure that people understand the concept of a random vote. I rolled 1d100, divided it by four and voted for KM based on that. Would you prefer a spurious reason instead?
 
I'm not sure that people understand the concept of a random vote. I rolled 1d100, divided it by four and voted for KM based on that. Would you prefer a spurious reason instead?

Would you not agree that there's enough content at this point to invalidate any sort of random voting? See:my case on edse, for example, or read sushi.
 
Just took this from the player roster. Here's my reads list.

al sipsclar- Done very little. Voted visor, that's it. Scum.
arakhor- Has not defended himself much or given many reads. Scum.
autolycus- Uhh, I think I remember a catch up post, but still nothing. Null.
backwards logic- Has posted several rant like posts complaining about speed of the thread and fluff. Has had some bad reactions to votes on both himself and others. Scum.
bsmith- posted once or twice. Can't tell. Null.
cass_- The only reason I'm town reading her atm is because Cuth has spewed her town by white knighting her and soft defending her.
choxorn- Low content, has provided helpful answers when I've asked, but has done little analysis or work on his own. However, his tone seems good. Slight town lean.
cuthilius- Very strange reaction to Visor, then switch to me looks strange after I move off Visor. Doesn't think that visor and I are teamed, yet has us as his top scum reads. Compare his play this game to Mel Gibson, and I think we've got a winner. Scum.
edse- Has posted very little. Seems scummy to me, so I'm reading him as the opposite because I can't read him apparently. Town lean.
glossysushi- Me. Lock town.
golden1knight- His one catch up post to vote thread consensus 'randomly' doesn't look very good. That's an understatement. Combined with being called out by King Morgan (instead of all the other lurkers that KM could possibly call out). Scum.
jarrema- Has made several moves like voting me with pretty good reasoning that I don't think would come from scum. Visor also apparently reads her well, and he's reading her as town. However, I disagree with his comment about one of her last posts looking townie. Her last post about Lassie needing to die if I am scum (lol!) does not look townie. Lassie isn't the only one who has defended me, and he's been very townie. This looks like a safe threat to make. Scum lean.
kennigit- Has been pretty consensus town read. I like his push on me and his progression seems natural. However, I would not like him to sit back and relax, so I do want to see more work from him, especially his thoughts irt recent happenings. Town.
kingmorgan- At first, I thought he was townie because of his line of questioning, reasoning of votes, and general content. However, Arakhtor's 'random' vote on him and his backing off from Visor because of reward/incentive reasons makes him look bad. Scum.
landlubber- Again, I have some misgivings. Her vote on Visor seemed to be just as heat was starting to pick up on him, though her reasons for it were fine. Her vote onto another leading wagon was seen as opportunistic by Zack, which I actually agree with. The timing was bad, and the reasoning was not as solid as the first time around. But, her reactions and her anger have seemed very townie... Town lean.
lassie- My strongest town read. Really bad thread entrance, check. A lot of aggressive voting, check. Explanations of reads are really good. Interactions with others always have him come off looking better. Also has me pocketed, lel.
legato endless- Super towny tone and natural responses. I really liked her defense of Cuthilius, because it seemed she really believed what she said. However, I don't think this defense clears Cuth in any way. In fact, his response to her defense (not addressing it, and saying that what she's done isn't particularly townie) again spews her as town. Town.
lohrenswald- Initially I liked her interactions with Lassie, but right now she's skating by on nothing but a wide amount of thread consensus that she's town. She needs to step it up. Town lean.
mat93- Again, starting to doubt. His reactions to other people's questioning and his reads are pretty good, imo. However, his exchange with Cuthilius looks really strange. Neither of them look good from that. Scum lean.
murska- At some point I had a town lean on her, because of her reentry into the thread and explanation of her voting. However, a lot of her current voting seems to be moving along to thread consensus, she has not provided am updated WTL list, and she has said outright scummy things about lynching people she has not solidly given a scum read on. I see no consideration of the other people in the game besides the top wagons in her reads. Scum.
newyn- Apparently he's town, but I really have no clue.
pouter pigeon- Starting to really like his content. My town read on him is strengthening, especially with his wolf ping on Mat, which I agree with a lot. Town.
sooh- Going AWOL. I liked her catch up reads list a lot, so I'm going to temporarily give her a town lean. Town lean.
takhisis- I know nothing. However, everyone seems to think he's town, or at least, a lot of people are ignoring him. Town lean.
visorslash- His last few posts have been townie, and I really think it would be reaching for me to continue to tunnel him. His response to being prodded is the only thing that's mildly suspicious, but it's not enough to warrant a scum read/lynching. I buy that he wanted to chill and not do as much work. Town.
xym- The very few posts she's made seem to be of good content and do not seem to be an attempt to sheep thread consensus. Town.
zack- His attitude seems to be super towny, though there is a world in which I tinfoil and see all the things he's said as mere distraction from game content. Town for now.
 
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