At Least 120 Dead in Paris Attacks

[abradley]

I think it goes without saying that everyone in this thread commiserates the victims of this attack. I didn't feel the need to explicitly put into words what I thought everyone was feeling.

In the face of terrible suffering that nobody could prevent, it seems like a human reaction to turn your attention to future suffering that might be prevented.

Yes, am sure there were Chinese in Nangking thinking the same during the Japanese massacre.

 

[Tigranes]

http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed

France is closing borders and install the state of emergency across entire country first time since 1945.

 

[Zkribbler]

FNC, from French police, one arrest, 'I am from ISIS.'

Addon

'Am Syrian, recruited by ISIS'

Doesn't sound like ISIS. ISIS hasn't targeted Europe and has made no claims on France as part of its planned caliphate.

More likely, these are local yokels merely claiming to be ISIS. Guess No. 2: Al Qaeda. A mass, multi-target, high-profile attack is the modus operandi. But do they still have the money and resource necessary to launch such as attack?

 

[useless]

This is exactly what i was speaking about if it turns out to be true:

"Reports and photo evidence that the 'Jungle' refugee camp in #Calais has been set on fire "

The tragedy hasn't even ended and yet the attacks begin.

 

[Cheetah]

This does not follow, his post clearly stated that he was talking about people who may suffer because people don't differentiate between them and ISIS or otherwise make them responsible for what happened.

Which is a valid concern. There is a high probability that there are people matching his description of people he's concerned for, which are also victims in this attack. Either directly or indirectly by knowing people who were killed or hurt tonight.

It did feel a little abrupt to me as well, but it's not particularly wrong.

 

[Bootstoots]

Marine Le Pen must be the happiest person alive right now.

 

[Cheetah]

This is exactly what i was speaking about if it turns out to be true:

"Reports and photo evidence that the 'Jungle' refugee camp in #Calais has been set on fire "

The tragedy hasn't even ended and yet the attacks begin.

I heard about some fires in Calais. I trusted that they were completely unrelated.

 

[Atticus]

I'm not an expert on the European far-right, so I cannot comment on how neutered they are. However, it does no good to underestimate an enemy.

IIRC, it was the Tamil Tigers who perfected the use of the suicide bomb, and proved its usefulness. I really don't think it requires a specific culture at all, rather just a desperate enough situation where people need to die, and it doesn't matter if the killer dies along in the process.

Islamist groups, in their insurgency and terrorism, might be the largest group of people in that category, but I do not think it is useful to say they are the only people in that category.

The European far right, I'd think, understands that they have nothing to win with this kind of violence. Unless it's by Muslims. I'd imagine some of them are filled with joy at the moment because this furthers their agenda.

If they'd do an attack, I'd guess it was more targeted at the immigrants.

 

[Takhisis]

useless, classical_hero, don't fight!

It's what these scum want us to do: half of us appearing like weaklings who are there to be destroyed while the other are hateful overlords who want them wiped off the earth! With so many Muslims in France nowadays, there is a good possibility that Muslims are among the victims of the killers' attacks tonight.

All the refugees will now suffer, all the muslims, anyone of arabic descent or north african will face increased suspicion and persecution because of this if it turns out to be an IS attack, even though they have nothing to do with this and aren't to blame.

Whic is what these people want. A cycle of revenge. The attackers forfeit their lives in advance for a ‘greater cause’, hoping, intending for others to take up that cause.

Concert hall cleared, two gunmen killed.

*nods*

 

[abradley]

FNC: Somewhere around 100 killed in concert hall per French police.

Expect death too to rise.

 

[Arwon]

Marine Le Pen must be the happiest person alive right now.

There's going to be a lot of racists feeling secretly happy.

 

[Rashiminos]

All the refugees will now suffer, all the muslims, anyone of arabic descent or north african will face increased suspicion and persecution because of this if it turns out to be an IS attack, even though they have nothing to do with this and aren't to blame.

Your very first comment on this is not showing compassion with the people who are not to blame and DEAD but instead for the people who may suffer in the future?

Anyway. @topic: Any new news on the situation in Bataclan? German TV reports that police is getting active there, but can't find any sources to verify.
/edit: Ah, some hostages seem to have been rescued.

As much as I'd like to note the contextual irony of this particular exchange, where useless has hope I have cynicism/pessimism. The refugees will receive abuse in connection with these attacks. The question is whether that was an intended result.

 

[Leoreth]

Yes, am sure there were Chinese in Nangking thinking the same during the Japanese massacre.

This analogy is not only in poor taste, but also does not apply. We are talking about the reaction of not the victims and their friends and family here, but of a third party.

 

[Akka]

Do we have any confirmation that this is an Islamist attack? People are already reacting as if that was the case, just speculation or have I missed something?

There is some unconfirmed report that the killers were shouting "Allah Akbhar", but TBH anyway what ELSE could it be ?
I mean, it's not like we have had any other serious terrorists but islamist ones in several decades.

 

[chijohnaok]

History is going to remember September 11 as unbelievably successful and disingenuous dissembling revisionist garbage-posts like this really illustrate why.

We took Al-Qaeda's bait and we let Bush and Blair really start this horrific cycle rolling.

Everyone said Iraq would become chaos, Islamic radicals would prosper in the power vacuum, and we'd be made less safe because there'd be blowback in the West.

We were accused of disloyalty and of supporting mass murder. And here we are. 19 blokes with box-cutters looking to start a cycle of violence played us all like absolute fiddles. We've been baited into thinking it is some Manichean eternal clash of civilisations (with all sorts of dumb revisionism like the nonsense above) instead of a very specific phenomenon with a very specific origin. People in the future are really going to marvel at it.

Out of respect for Dutchfire's moderator comment earlier in this thread, I will not post a public response here.

But I am have sent you a private message in response.

 

[Rashiminos]

There's going to be a lot of racists feeling secretly happy.

Secretly? There won't be a need for that with open discussions of "Islamic Terrorism."

There is some unconfirmed report that the killers were shouting "Allah Akbhar", but TBH anyway what ELSE could it be ?

Clandestine operations.

 

[Leoreth]

There is some unconfirmed report that the killers were shouting "Allah Akbhar", but TBH anyway what ELSE could it be ?
I mean, it's not like we have had any other serious terrorists but islamist ones in several decades.

Don't want to argue about this right now, but even if it was true, I prefer facts over preemptive hysteria.

 

[abradley]

This analogy is not only in poor taste, but also does not apply. We are talking about the reaction of not the victims and their friends and family here, but of a third party.

The post that brought it on was in poor taste, my reply showed that.

 

[Lillefix]

Non named police officers say 100 hostages killed. But nothing official.

 

[useless]

The post that brought it on was in poor taste, my reply showed that.

Please explain how it was in poor taste to worry about the impact and consequences of this tragedy.