Because We Have a Problem: 2016 Forcasting List
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GhostWriter16
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I'm saying 99% of voters supported either Obama or Romney. So basically, 99% of people voted for one person. There's no real difference between the two other than rhetoric and guesswork. They both support the same system of big government at home, imperalism abroad, war on drugs, gun control, the "right" to slaughter the unborn, the military-industrial complex, high tax rates (If you liberals want to look at it as "Low tax rates" for some reason
its still the same for both sides), war on terror, fractional-reserve banking, the Fed, and an unbalanced budget. Pray do tell, where exactly do they DIFFER? I honestly can't think of very many.
its still the same for both sides), war on terror, fractional-reserve banking, the Fed, and an unbalanced budget. Pray do tell, where exactly do they DIFFER? I honestly can't think of very many.
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Zulu Conqueror
I'm saying 99% of voters supported either Obama or Romney. So basically, 99% of people voted for one person. There's no real difference between the two other than rhetoric and guesswork. They both support the same system of big government at home, imperalism abroad, war on drugs, gun control, the "right" to slaughter the unborn, the military-industrial complex, high tax rates (If you liberals want to look at it as "Low tax rates" for some reason
The difference is that one of them was truthful about it.
CELTICEMPIRE
Zulu Conqueror
Anyway, it's not for this thread, so I'll bring us back on topic.
Who would win the GOP nomination between Paul and Rubio?
Who would win the GOP nomination between Paul and Rubio?
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Jewel Runner
Rubio certainly seems to have better odds, but I'm not gonna discount Paul just yet. He has the potential to become a pretty interesting factor or another sideshow act like the old man. Although I do think his fans overstate his significance by a hefty margin.
GhostWriter16
Deity
Obama? Well, except the military industrial complex.
Why do I still think you meant Mitt... Or have you changed since 2012? Feel free to PM an answer to this rather than posting it here...
Rubio, the GOP wants a warmonger and they'll pick one. The military-industrial complex and banking system will not allow Rand Paul to get in no matter how much he tries to compromise with them (And he has tried.)
I don't. Rubio, or someone else, is going to win. The only realistic chance Rand Paul has is to compromise so much that he loses his father's base. I post on RPF and while most of them support Rand, a few already openly don't (Which seems to have created a little bit of a liberty movement civil war.) If Rand compromises too much, he'll probably lose most of his father's base. I've already drawn my line in the sand on a few second amendmnet issues. So far, in spite of a few issues I've had with him, Rand Paul has impressed me so far, but he's also too radical to have a chance in this country, even as toned down from his dad as he is.
Ron Paul was not truly a sideshow, however. He managed to get the GOP to play its hand and change the primary rules, he got in second place. Granted, Santorum would be better off running in Iran, and Newt Gingrich would be better off running for Roman Caesar, the GOP contenders were jokes but still, Ron Paul got in second. I have to find that Jon Stewart video where he mocked people who pretended Ron Paul wasn't relevant.
Granted, Ron Paul wasn't going to win, but he wasn't even trying to, he was trying to educate. The GOP primary gave Ron Paul a platform, that's why he did it, to educate. It was obvious from the beginning that he didn't care about winning. Rand Paul actually wants to win, which could be a liability, an asset, or both.
Wait, what was a Federal worker doing educating people? I thought Ron Pauo was against that.
GhostWriter16
Deity
Its called "Fighting the System from within." Ron Paul was a hero in a lion's den... But we can discuss that another time. Now we're back to Rand Paul and warmongering freaks...
ZeletDude
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Well I was talking about Congressional and Senatorial elections nationally. And while Idaho is red it is alot more competitive than you think! We had a Dem Congressman in the First District from 2009-2011 (he was a DINO though lol).
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Chieftain
Gore and Kerry would have both won if they had gotten Ohio, without any Southern States. Hell, Gore would have won if he only got New Hampshire. The Electoral vote scheme has changed since the 2010 census so that isn't the case anymore, though.
Even with the South gaining more population and thus electoral prominence, the Democrats don't NEED to win anything there to win Presidential elections. They can win with just the Gore/Kerry States, Ohio, Nevada and Colorado. Virginia, and to a lesser extent Florida and North Carolina keep drifting further into the Democratic camp, though, so I doubt we will be seeing a Southern-less Presidential victory for the Democrats anytime soon.
GhostWriter16
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I'm not honestly sure which of those two radicals would have been worse... I guess it depends on whether Gore would have restrained himself in Iraq.
269 would have been perfect. What if the House couldn't decide, also because of Nader votes?
Super55
Chieftain
I'd do that math again if I were you. Gore got 266 electoral votes in 2000. Give him New Hampsire's 4, and that puts him at 270.
Super55
Chieftain
You can't unilaterally redefine the American political landscape based on your fringe political beliefs. Gore is no radical. Hell, he wasn't even really a liberal in 2000. We haven't had one of those in the White House since Lyndon Johnson. Every Democrat in the White House since then has been disgustingly moderate. Gore would have broadly continued Clinton policies in the White House, which probably would have included dropping bombs on Iraq every couple of years. I doubt he would have put troops on the ground there, at least not without better reasons then "these trucks look funny", and "it's possible that Iraq could have built weapons of mass destruction, so therefore they must have".
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I'm not honestly sure which of those two radicals would have been worse... I guess it depends on whether Gore would have restrained himself in Iraq.
269 would have been perfect. What if the House couldn't decide, also because of Nader votes?
Nader's votes wouldn't count for jack sh__ in the event of a tie. It would be a partisan affair with each house delegation voting the way the majority would want to... Not one vote for Nader would occur
Derrpity... That's when happens when you don't double check LOL. No need to be so rude about it however.
Super55
Chieftain
I merely pointed out the fact that you were off on the math, I don't believe pointing out errors is 'rude'. Sorry if you were offended.Nader's votes wouldn't count for jack sh__ in the event of a tie. It would be a partisan affair with each house delegation voting the way the majority would want to... Not one vote for Nader would occur
Derrpity... That's when happens when you don't double check LOL. No need to be so rude about it however.
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Zulu Conqueror
Gore would go into Iraq, but with alternative-energy, environmentally friendly Tanks!
269 would have been perfect. What if the House couldn't decide, also because of Nader votes?
My mom went Nader in '04. Everyone made fun of her for it.
GhostWriter16
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Gore would go into Iraq, but with alternative-energy, environmentally friendly Tanks!
My mom went Nader in '04. Everyone made fun of her for it.
Well, I guess at least we would have lost
Seriously though, the whole alternative energy/global warming extremism is what I meant when I called Gore a radical.Why the crap did your mom vote for Nader in an election with Michael Badnarik?
Now, as for the only 2016 candidate that I actually care about, Rand Paul is really impressing me lately:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?411602-White-House-criticizes-Sen-Paul-s-props-remark
411566-Rand-Pauls-favorite-Democratic-president-Grover-Cleveland
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