Biden Drops Out

[Angst]

ok, so let's take a step back.

technically i don't think biden was necessarily unfit to be president. and even if we go by the furthest claims of his inability due to age, there is a lot of power in the cabinet. people don't really appreciate how much the cabinet does. but - giving all this the benefit of the doubt, let's say he was unfit - regardless of this, it didn't matter. there was a real question of optics. sure, dropping out shows weakness, but he simply didn't pull voters. disregarding how present he was or not, too many people found him unfit to run.

there's this whole show of weakness of retracting your candidate, but it wasn't going great. and the months remaining are more than enough time to campaign, guys. i do not fathom why election season in the states is like a year. i know we're smaller countries, but france just upended the election with a few weeks remaining. denmark's election season is a few months max from announcement to vote count. the last danish election took a month to process.

due to lawsuit stuff, harris will probably run. needs the campaign doners. the probable gop lawsuits do not have an inherent failure of outcome on a law basis, but they have rigged a lot of courts as we might have noticed. we'll see.

harris'll pick up the latin voters, but will stand in a difficult position having to juggle both the further left and the rust belt. choosing a good democratic VP from the rust belt (or someone they particularly like) to appeal to that could secure the election. voters left of the libs will mostly default to her due to rightfully being terrified of the prospect of a trump presidency. people like to keep their ability to vote. sadly because of moderate prejudice she'll have to pick some white guy to win. no, i don't like that either.

 

[innonimatu]

Biden is gone. So are folks (here on CFC included), going to keep pounding the age/cognitive decline issue, giving it the same level of constant attention and focus that they were giving it before? Or is it going to be suddenly quietly abandoned, as no longer important/relevant somehow?

This has gotten beyond ridoculous.

It's obvious for everyone that Trump is going to win the election. The oligarchs, even those who treid to make in lose in 2020 like the Faceborg guy, and now sucking up to him already. They attempt to bribe prospective winners, not losers.

The democrat high priesthood coerced their candidate out on grounds of incapacity but will try to pretend he's not incapable of continuing to hold the very same office he's incompetent to run for? Just because their partisans are expects at cogntive dissonance doesn't mean everyone else is. This will become an ongoing campaign issue against the party.

And if everyone (who actually plays in the arena of politics) knows Trumop is going to win this election, then no one smart is going to want to be replacement candidate within his party*. The VP is left holding the bag. But her result is not going to be any better, it's Kamala who didn't even manage to win a primary. So how does this swap helps the party avoid a crushing defeat spilling over to other votes in the election? It doesn't. They don't have any plan, are just reacting blindly and hoping for better polls somehow.

*No one smart will want to play the role of candidate for VP either, btw.

 

[Zardnaar]

A primary would be cool, but we all know that Harris would lose there. Maybe the plan is to just run her, in the hope it will be more random/shielded.

Cnn uses a very corpse-like pic. No love lost I suppose.

CNN got bought by a Trump supporter iirc.

 

[Birdjaguar]

It may get even worse after this coup. I suppose not all voters will be in favor of ousting Biden as if he was a bit of trash, particularly after he stated so many times that he is staying in the race.

Ah....it was not a coup. The most recent coup attempt was Jan 6, 2021. Biden has not been replaced by anyone yet. That will happen at the Convention in August. He is too old and was persuaded that as much as he might want to run, he is not up to the job.

 

[caketastydelish]

Biden has made so many big mistakes when speaking that it seems obvious he is in cognitive decline.

 

[Kaitzilla]

President Biden gave staff a 1 minute heads up before posting publicly.

Biden finalized his decision to drop out Sunday. His staff knew one minute before the public did

It was never Biden’s intention to leave the race: Up until he decided to step aside Sunday, he was all in.

www.pbs.org

WASHINGTON (AP) — At 1:45 p.m. Sunday, President Joe Biden’s senior staff was notified that he was stepping away from the 2024 race. At 1:46 p.m., that message was made public.

His younger brother said his declining health was a major factor in dropping out of the re-election effort.

(From 0:45 to 0:55)
ABC: We asked him whether he feels that this brother's overall health and vitality played a major role in his decision.
And he (Frank Biden) said: "In my humble opinion, absolutely."

President Biden posted his endorsement of Kamala on X at 1:13 P.M.
He dropped out with a post on X at 12:46 P.M.

That is 27 minutes of no endorsement!
Did she threaten him with the 25th Amendment to force an endorsement?
Has anyone seen the President today?

I will speak to the Nation later this week in more detail about my decision.

Go on T.V. soon.
Monday is good.

 

[Birdjaguar]

A primary would be cool, but we all know that Harris would lose there. Maybe the plan is to just run her, in the hope it will be more random/shielded.

You should really learn more about how our system actually works before looking silly.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

President Biden gave staff a 1 minute heads up before posting publicly.

Biden finalized his decision to drop out Sunday. His staff knew one minute before the public did

It was never Biden’s intention to leave the race: Up until he decided to step aside Sunday, he was all in.

www.pbs.org

His younger brother said his declining health was a major factor in dropping out of the re-election effort. (From 0:45 to 0:55)

President Biden posted his endorsement of Kamala on X at 1:13 P.M.
He dropped out with a post on X at 12:46 P.M.

That is 27 minutes of no endorsement!
Did she threaten him with the 25th Amendment to force an endorsement?
Has anyone seen the President today?


Go on T.V. soon.
Monday is good.

Biden posts his own tweets?

 

[Birdjaguar]

This has gotten beyond ridoculous.

It's obvious for everyone that Trump is going to win the election. The oligarchs, even those who treid to make in lose in 2020 like the Faceborg guy, and now sucking up to him already. They attempt to bribe prospective winners, not losers.

The democrat high priesthood coerced their candidate out on grounds of incapacity but will try to pretend he's not incapable of continuing to hold the very same office he's incompetent to run for? Just because their partisans are expects at cogntive dissonance doesn't mean everyone else is. This will become an ongoing campaign issue against the party.

And if everyone (who actually plays in the arena of politics) knows Trumop is going to win this election, then no one smart is going to want to be replacement candidate within his party*. The VP is left holding the bag. But her result is not going to be any better, it's Kamala who didn't even manage to win a primary. So how does this swap helps the party avoid a crushing defeat spilling over to other votes in the election? It doesn't. They don't have any plan, are just reacting blindly and hoping for better polls somehow.

*No one smart will want to play the role of candidate for VP either, btw.

It is obvious only to those who do not understand the American public and the dynamics of our elections. Without Biden it is a whole new ball game. Now we wait to see who will be at the top of the ticket.

 

[Birdjaguar]

From NYT:

The rules committee of the Democratic National Convention — the body that will set the date and manner by which the party will choose its next presidential nominee — will meet at 2 p.m. Wednesday, the committee announced late Sunday night.

 

[Theov]

Biden just had a stutter, and being against Kamala Harris is sexist / people of color-phobic!!

 

[Sommerswerd]

Johnson warns of legal challenges if Dems swap nominees
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/07/21/sotu-johnson-full-interview.cnn

About an hour before Biden announced his resignation, I heard on CNN today, Jake Tapper interviewing Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson (R) and Tapper asked Johnson, among other things, about the calls for Biden to drop out and the Republicans threatening to file legal challenges to prevent that from happening. The exchange was pretty amusing.

First, Johnson tried to make the point that the Democrats were being undemocratic by pushing out the primary winner, Biden, in favor of a handpicked replacement candidate, and that there would be legal challenges if they tried to replace Biden. Tapper reminded him that when Trump's candidacy was being threatened by various legal challenges, he and other Republicans complained that these legal challenges were denying the American people the right to choose their own candidate, so shouldn't the American people be allowed to vote for the Democrats' replacement candidate if that was their choice?

Johnson was stumped by this of course, so after stammering and short circuiting for a bit, he essentially just declared it (paraphrasing) "different because... reasons", then he tried to deflect from that trap he'd stepped into, by shifting to complaining, if Biden was unfit to run for POTUS, then he was unfit to serve as POTUS... then he quickly tried to segue that, into saying that Biden's cognitive decline was (paraphrasing) "making America look weak on the World stage", "emboldening our enemies", etc.

So then Tapper asked him (paraphrasing) "Haven't you had numerous private conversations with Biden? Did you notice any cognitive decline?" Of course Johnson claimed that he did indeed notice Biden's decline, but then quickly added that he needed to keep quiet about it, to protect America's standing, as he'd referenced earlier, from appearing weak and emboldening enemies, and similar, but since now, Johnson said "the cat is out of the bag" and everyone knows about Biden's decline, he felt free as Speaker of the House to state publicly what he'd been keeping secret previously, about Biden being in decline... then Johnson quickly transitioned from that, into accusing the Democrats of a massive cover-up/conspiracy to hide Biden's cognitive decline from the public.

So then Tapper trapped him again, asking Johnson if he thought that these serious cover-up allegations should be investigated by Congress or law enforcement for wrongdoing, to which Johnson stated that they should and would investigate the cover-up... apparently not realizing, that he himself had just admitted, on-air that he had been personally aware of the decline and intentionally engaged in covering up Biden's supposed decline.

It was hilarious, because at first Johnson seemed to sense a trap, but then fell into it anyway, because he couldn't resist what seemed like such an easy opportunity to town the party line and drag Biden for "cognitive decline", and to accuse Democrats of potentially criminal conspiracy to cover it up... but in doing so, he just ended up implicating himself in the very conspiracy he was trying to blame on Democrats

As an aside, it was funny to hear Johnson quote Joe Manchin stating earlier in the program that the reason he'd left the Democrats because "it wasn't his father's party anymore". Senator Clyburn (D-SC) had been on CNN earlier that day and specifically noted that he was glad that his Democratic party wasn't the party of Joe Manchin's father anymore, because in the days of Joe Manchin's father, the Democrats in SC weren't allowing black people

 

[Core Imposter]

Politicians duck tough campaigns. This is why the best of the GOP didn't run against Obama in his 2nd term run. Democrats can't easily break the line in front of a female candidate of color like Harris, who got her office in a deal between Jim Clyburn and Joe Biden before the South Carolina primary. Harris will inherit the Biden campaign staff and there will be and have been deals made to get support for her lined up. Anyone that might want to challenge her has to face the possibility that Biden could create her the first female president instantly.

The only people who would challenge her would be someone who would be looking at their one and last chance. Joe Manchin, for example, who might like the VP slot otherwise. I still think Buttigieg for VP, but Cooper of North Carolina is possible. Shapiro is Jewish and this isn't a good time for a Jewish candidate.

How many times has Biden had Covid and could this have been a factor in his quicker than anticipated decline?

There have been many incoherent clips of Harris. Now we'll get to see if she if she is for real. Even if so, she has a steep hill to climb.

 

[Samson]

Legal Eagle has a youtube, and says:

Ohio has a state law that says quote a political party certifying candidate so nominated shall certify the names of those candidates to the Secretary of State on or before the 90th day before the day of the general election the 90-day requirement means that the deadline for ballot certification is August 7th which is 2 weeks before the DNC convenes in Chicago.

Sounds complicated.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Which means that the democrats should immediately put Kamala Harris' name forward as their candidate in Ohio.

 

[Samson]

So Barack has not endorsed anyone? Is he going for an Obama 1 -2? Michelle is second favourite, though down at 13/1 (20/1 on the exchanges). She is not that much lower for the presidency (20/1, 30/1 on an exchange).

Spoiler Odds :

Because of the way they order no hopers, there are some interesting names "above" Josh Shapiro and Pete Buttigieg.

Spoiler Lower down odds :

 

[KMRblue1027]

It appears that most of the forwarded candidates that aren't Harris have already thrown their support behind her like Kelly and Cooper. So the top of the ticket is already a done deal. Probably the smartest choice as it faces the least legal and logistical hurdles. VP race is gonna be interesting, I've been saying for a bit that Cooper of NC is the best bet as I think any D that's not Biden wins PA and Michigan so putting that in play makes the map nearly impossible for Trump to win. Was hoping him at the actual top of the ticket but will settle for VP.

 

[Narz]

She never ran for president and this is the first year she's old enough.

I'm talking about Harris not AoC.

 

[Narz]

harris'll pick up the latin voters

Why would she?

 

[Sommerswerd]

Rachel Maddow praised Biden's withdrawal as an unprecedented display of sacrifice, selflessness and patriotism in her segment, and went on to imply that "Biden perhaps cannily" had baited/trapped Trump into locking in a VP choice first, before stepping down from the race.

Maddow's take, is that Kamala Harris is the clear nominee now and the party will unite behind her, ending the "old era" of the Democratic party and ushering in the new era.