Blackwater Murderers Go Free On Technicality

[Formaldehyde]

Saying that you cant convince me no matter what is rather shallow given the fact that you havent given anyone reading this much to convince them either.

'Convince', 'shallow', 'the fact', 'anyone'. Right.

You may find this really difficult to believe, but I think you and the handful of other Blackwater defenders are the ones who actually can't "convince" "anyone". Even the US Army's own investigation, which apparently happened before any possible tampering with the evidence, agrees with us.

 

[MobBoss]

'Convince', 'shallow', 'the fact', 'anyone'. Right.

Yeah, I see your supporters posting in droves to back you up on this dont I?

You may find this really difficult to believe, but I think you and the handful of other Blackwater defenders are the ones who actually can't "convince" "anyone". Even the US Army's own investigation, which apparently happened before any possible tampering with the evidence, agrees with us.

Oh, I am not defending Blackwater, I am just pointing out your lack of proof on your allegation in regards to them. And to point out that they get their constitutional rights just like anyone else you have argued for in that capacity. Simply because you dont like them doesnt mean we cut corners in regards to their own case. If the rules are followed, and they are found guilty, by all means bury them until the sun becomes a memory to them. But until that happens, at least be consistent in how you apply consitutional rules.

 

[Camikaze]

1.) I was talking about Obama using populsim with the Iraqis.

I don't think Iraqis would see it as populist unless these people were held without trial, or something. Appealing against a ruling is hardly going to cut the mustard, as far as populism goes.

2.) I don't think you are appreciating exactly what the word populism means.

No, you're just attempting to use in a negative way. Populism does not have to be bad, as in the sense you are using it. If someone is a populist, they are doing something that is popular, regardless of whether or not it is good or bad. But a lot of the time, or in fact, most of the time, populism is good. What people want is what should happen. A major criticism of Obama has been that he has not fulfilled the change that people voted for; he hasn't done what would be popular and ripped through big financial companies and banks, for instance.

 

[Ecofarm]

Even the US Army's own investigation, which apparently happened before any possible tampering with the evidence, agrees with us.

Ummm, no. Because there were no murder charges. That has been invented out of thin air.

Like I said before (wouldn't want to lose it on the prev page last post!)

And the opinions of what happened were hardly contextual or solidly credible independantly. Most of them being mere utterances of shock.

No conspiracy at a higher level was found. Noone was indicted for lying. Apparently, the men's fear was real and we will never know exactly what happened but they did not pick an intersection to obliterate for fun, fame and fortune.

Give me a motive.

Murderers? Hmmm? Very frekn nice. These people are there to help and we assume they conspire to randomly murder people at a random intersection on the other side of the world. Very frkn nice.


What kind of a f MORON does it take to think that these highly trained and paid people would jeopardize their jobs, company, LIVES and (dare I say) country's reputation to slaughter random people IN PUBLIC for fun.



Either provide a god damn motive or drop the murder charges LIKE THE GOVERNMENT DID.

This thread should have been closed for BS at title.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Yeah, I see your supporters posting in droves to back you up on this dont I?

My "supporters" are world-wide opinion, which is obvious contrary to the Blackwater atrocities defenders, even the ones who ironically try to claim they really aren't atrocities defenders when they obviously are.

And as for the rest of the people in this forum, they probably have more sense than I do to even respond to this continuing nonsense.

Ummm, no. Because there were no murder charges. That has been invented out of thin air.

To some, it is indeed murder. To others it is merely manslaughter. The actual charges are probably due more to whether or not the prosecutors thought they can get an actual conviction for that charge based on the evidence they have to work with than any other reason, as usual. And don't forget that the crime scene was seriously compromised and the perps were not handled properly to ensure that justice might actually be served.

But so what? Are you trying to deny the US Army investigation which found them guilty of atrocities against completely innocent civilians, or not? Or are you just going to continue to argue semantics instead of addressing the real issue?

 

[MobBoss]

My "supporters" are world-wide opinion, which is obvious contrary to the Blackwater atrocities defenders, even the ones who ironically try to claim they really aren't atrocities defenders when they obviously are.

So you acknowledge that no one here at CFCOT is backing you up on this. Nice.

To some, it is indeed murder. To others it is merely manslaughter. But so what? Are you trying to deny the US Army investigation which found them guilty of atrocities against civilians, or not? Or are you just going to continue to argue semantics instead of addressing the real issue?

The investigation didnt find them guilty.....thats not what investigations do. Investigations decide if there is enough evidence to charge them and to take the matter to trial in order to possibly have a finding of guilt.

If our justice system simply had investigations finding people guilty what would we need courts for?

And we argue semantics because you so often get it wrong. Like you just did here.

 

[Formaldehyde]

So you acknowledge that no one here at CFCOT is backing you up on this. Nice.

No. I am saying that nobody else in this forum is probably willing to further engage you in this absurd discussion. And I think that list has now grown by one more, unless you can actually come up with something which is worth a reply.

In other words, it is ironically the Blackwater defenders who don't really have any credbility.

 

[MobBoss]

No. I am saying that nobody else in this forum is probably willing to further engage you in this absurd discussion. And I think that list has now grown by one more, unless you can actually come up with something which is worth a reply.

Well, aside from a single sentence from some article copied for britanica, you really havent provided any solid proof or evidence that Blackwater or the US Army did anything to clean up or remove evidence at the sight of the incident. Certainly nothing with any detail what-so-ever. And I am guessing that you had to work your google skillz to the maximum to find that single reference since you had already admitted that you were wrong on the Blackwater allegation prior to finding it.

Its ok to have to admit you cant find any evidence to support your allegation. Happens to us all every now and then.

You also just said the investigation found them guilty. Care to alter that statement or do you stand by it?

In other words, it is ironically the Blackwater defenders who don't really have any credbility.

What allegations have we made in this thread that even questions our credibility? All we have done is question your allegations....which you havent been able to back up.

 

[Ecofarm]

Are you trying to deny the US Army investigation which found them guilty of atrocities against civilians, or not? -Forma

I deny it. See my post above (and I suppose MB's, which really embarrasses Forma).

 

[Formaldehyde]

I deny it.

I suspected as much. After all, nobody had even mentioned that aspect for quite a while now before you tried to revive it yet again - by quoting yourself.

 

[LuckyAC]

Sweet. My law firm (Mayer Brown) represents Blackwater.

 

[Berzerker]

No. I am saying that nobody else in this forum is probably willing to further engage you in this absurd discussion.

that aint a graceful concession speech

 

[warpus]

Oh, I am not defending Blackwater, I am just pointing out your lack of proof on your allegation in regards to them. And to point out that they get their constitutional rights just like anyone else you have argued for in that capacity. Simply because you dont like them doesnt mean we cut corners in regards to their own case. If the rules are followed, and they are found guilty, by all means bury them until the sun becomes a memory to them. But until that happens, at least be consistent in how you apply consitutional rules.

I would love to see you be consistent and apply the exact same logic to suspected terrorists in U.S. custody (American citizen or not)

 

[MobBoss]

I would love to see you be consistent and apply the exact same logic to suspected terrorists in U.S. custody (American citizen or not)

I have publicly stated long ago that we should have given those held in US custody Courts Martials, although I dont have a problem with military tribunals either.

Tell you what....I will happily abide by anything a US federal judge rules on the matters, whether I agree with it or not. Hows that?

 

[JollyRoger]

Tell you what....I will happily abide by anything a US federal judge rules on the matters, whether I agree with it or not. Hows that?

Welcome to the dark side.

 

[illram]

Sweet. My law firm (Mayer Brown) represents Blackwater.

Get your foot in that door and you shouldn't have trouble with billables.

 

[warpus]

I have publicly stated long ago that we should have given those held in US custody Courts Martials, although I dont have a problem with military tribunals either.

Tell you what....I will happily abide by anything a US federal judge rules on the matters, whether I agree with it or not. Hows that?

I was more talking about the "innocent until proven guilty" theme of your post.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Here in the US, we have both forms of law and order. The one we reserve for those whom we defend regardless of what they do, and the one we use on everybody else.

 

[Ecofarm]

Justice Prevails Again! Megahed A Free Man!

That's a story about a guy who knew his friend had pipe-bombs in the car and was planning to use them somewhere. He was riding around with that dude, knowing what the dude was up to and was in the car when police found the explosives.

However, the guy was not an active accomplice. There were no prints in the bombs and he had no specific knowledge of a destination or exact intentions. All the guy knew was that the guy he was with was a jihadist and had pipe bombs he intended to use in the trunk of the car.

He gets set free. No time. Because he was charged as an accomplice (aid, abeit, etc) and not simple as "dude who knew what was up and was hanging out".

Yet in this case, the technical fumble of overcharging the "friend" of the terrorist resulting in a complete dismissal of all charges... is hailed as a triumph of justice by SOME people. Hell, some people were convinced he should be allowed to re-enter school (or even be paid reparations)... as if any school wants people who knowingly hang out with jihadists that carry pipebombs in their cars. Some people went as far as to paint this guy to be a victim of the system, when actually he got lucky and was over-charged.


Weird.

 

[Formaldehyde]

That's a story about a guy who knew his friend had pipe-bombs in the car and was planning to use them somewhere.

No, its a story of someone who had harmless homemade rockets in his car which didn't even work while driving in South Carolina while Muslim. But nice try to spin it into something it obviously wasn't.

Not so weird.