As far as I'm aware, the Jewish Messiah has not arrived yet and neither has the prophecied Kingdom of Heaven. I don't see that as a problem though - if the works of God transcend human understanding, it is inevitable that humans will misunderstand the totality of his activity. Moses, Muhammad and Jesus were all said to have received information by divine revelation, but it's hardly inconcievable that they too were imperfect in the implementation of their revelations.
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classical_hero
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According To Quran, Allah has no son at all, and He will never have a biological son. End of story. Reference : Surah Ikhlas.
And just to clarify, Islam & Judaism have similarities because both holy books were revealed by Allah. The difference is that with time Old & New Testament were changed by the people so there might be contradictions & mistakes in them, but Quran has remained unchanged over the 1400 years.
It is weird how the New Testament allows that which once was forbidden and then suddenly God changes his mind and forbids them again.
It is weird how the New Testament allows that which once was forbidden and then suddenly God changes his mind and forbids them again.
I think Islam has Jesus as a prophet, but not his successors. There's a ton of New Testament stuff where we assume that non-Jesus characters have the right to speak with Divine Authority.
That is correct, and one of the fundamental divisions between Christianity and Islam. And it isn't really fair to categorize them as quite worshiping the same God.
Christianity's entire shtick revolves around the adventures of Jesus and the salvation he brings. He's not just another character in the story; he is the story.
Well, given that Archangel Gabriel revealed the words of God to Muhammad and that Muslims revere various Old Testament characters as patriarchs or prophets, you have a lot further to go to claim that Allah, Jehovah and God aren't all the same triune (or otherwise) deity.
To me, it's pretty much the difference between Spock and alternate-universe Spock. Yes, they are the same Spock. But there are some major fundamental differences that make them the same Spock in name only. I mean, even if alternate-universe Spock had no goatee, they'd still be different enough in meaning.
The same with God - it's the same God in name only, but Christians worship the god of one universe (where this god is also Jesus), whereas Muslims worship the god of a difference universe. Same god, universes apart.
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It is almost as though they all shared a common mythology with minor differences.
Everyone thinks that their conception of God is God, because I don't really think that people actively worship a different God to the one they conceive of existing. That would be a bit odd, to say the least.
classical_hero
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The fact of the matter is who is Jesus. According to Islam he is a just a prophet. According to the Bible, he is God and our saviour.
Matthew 16:13-17 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
It can't get any clearer than that. The teachings of the NT are clearly vastly different from the Qu'ran.
I still don't understand the objection. Even if there are a series of companies that are kowtowing to external regulation, is anyone insisting that non-Halal products not be offered at the grocery store?
classical_hero
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The problem is the enforced cost to be certified. If they go Halal, then their should be a minimal fee and not for profit. The problem is that my money is going towards things I don't agree with, but i am forced to without my consent, due to companies being forced to do this if they want to have any business to Islamic countries.
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Order some American beef? If you get it shipped in with enough bulk(assuming you have a chest freezer or the like) the order should probably save you money. Conversely, depending on where you live and the proximity to producers you could contract for the raising of a cow, or hell - just buy a cow at market(do you guys have county fairs? Great place to meet people if you want to buy a cow) and then hire the butcher to do it the way you want. If the butcher doesn't slaughter you can probably do it yourself. Most slaughter statutes seem to allow people to do that one their own for personal consumption. Not sure what your firearms regulations are, but bullet to brain is probably the easiest/most humane at that point. That probably costs more, but gives you a heck of a lot of good cuts along with the more standard ones and less common ones, and you might find somebody providing a cow fed exactly the way you would like it to have been fed for taste.
I still don't get it. They have a set fee? How's that a problem? Lots of things have set fees. In fact, Saudi Arabia sets a fee for the oil they sell. I have a fee for my services ... isn't that the way it works?
Why?
How is your money going towards things you don't agree with? I mean, what's the actual money trail of 'your' money?
classical_hero
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Read what I found out about Kosher in Australia. The fee is yearly and it basically next to nothing in comparison to the fees charged for Halal food. Did you not read the MUI statement that the money raised from Halal has to go to paying for Islamic schools and mosques?
You're not answering the question, really. This is what's leading to people's confusion. You're answering questions we're not asking. You were talking about your money, and I am asking about your money. Is there a good reason to believe that the Halal 'fee' is being distributed to your non-Halal purchases, and not being fully placed on the Halal customers?
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