Britain: the sick man of Europe

[Quackers]

Astonishing new report shows UK languishing behind many other devoloped countries in health league tables. Some quotes:

* British cancer and heart attack victims are more likely to die than almost anywhere in the developed world;
* Asthma and diabetes patients are more than three times as likely to end up in hospital as their neighbours in Germany;
* Life expectancy in Britain - 79 years and six months for a man - is far worse than in France, where men expect to live until 81. The deficit is similar for women.

The picture of cancer survival in this country remains bleak. The survey found that in Britain, a woman diagnosed with breast cancer had a 78.5 per cent likelihood of being alive five years later.A lack of access to life-saving cancer drugs, a shortage of specialists, and a lack of MRI scanners are also factors.

The report found that Britain spends more than the average OECD nation on healthcare: just short of $3,000 per head of population.

Now I'm no NHS fanboi but serioulsy I thought we were better than this. Even some former Communist states managed to beat us even though we spend almost double on every patient. What do you think of a national healthcare system now? Has your view changed? Do you work in the NHS? Is this true for your hospital? Can Government run healthcare?

EDIT: Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cer-survival-rates-worst-developed-world.html

 

[Gelion]

Ah, you will get over it.

 

[Harshad]

The Daily Mail is a rag.

 

[gangleri2001]

79 years and six months versus 81 years? What's the big deal?

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Daily Mail LOL.

French spend more on health care than us. We only started investing in the NHS when Labour came into power after the Tories bled it dry.

 

[tycoonist]

stop reading the daily mail.

oh and i blame the immigrants.

 

[REDY]

Actually, I have thought that Great Britain would be worse. BTW in article from former communist countries is mentioned only Poland and the Czech Republic and we are not only below Britain but also at the end of list. So you usurped title which is rightfuly ours

 

[Tekee]

Well it's no CANADA. In 2006 the wait time at emergency rooms in Montreal Hospitals was at 48 hours! :O Steyn's wife was having a miscarriage and she waited almost a day at the emergency room. The cleaning ladies even scolded her for bleeding all over their floor!

I think it is Englishmen have problems running a national healthcare system. You say England is bad too? Nationalized healthare, is something englishmen cannot do.
Please abandon national healthcare in all English countries.

 

[Shekwan]

79 years and six months versus 81 years? What's the big deal?

You're not British. Imagine being British and being beaten by the French.

Now, imagine that.

Now imagine you read, and believe, The Daily Mail.

Now you know.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Can Government run healthcare?

The question is not if the government can. The question is why you can't properly.

 

[Cutlass]

The question is not if the government can. The question is why you can't properly.

Same is true of the US. I wonder if we're related to Britain...

 

[Cato the Elder]

Quackers, the fact that the UK has semi-privatised health care yet generally lags behind mainland Europe both in actual health as in cost efficiency, and that the US has nearly completely privatised health care, and lags even further behind in both fields should sort of give you a hint about what system generally works best and which one doesn't.

 

[civ_king]

lets see
fully private is worst and semi-private is second and socialized health care is better than both so... obviously we will all get killed by death panels in a socialized medicine set up!

Well it's no CANADA. In 2006 the wait time at emergency rooms in Montreal Hospitals was at 48 hours! :O Steyn's wife was having a miscarriage and she waited almost a day at the emergency room. The cleaning ladies even scolded her for bleeding all over their floor!

I think it is Englishmen have problems running a national healthcare system. You say England is bad too? Nationalized healthare, is something englishmen cannot do.
Please abandon national healthcare in all English countries.

source?

BTW MONTREAL IS FRACOPHONE NOT ANGLOPHONE SO SAYING ANGLOPHONE HEALTHCARE SUCKS BECAUSE OF AN INCIDENT BY THE FRACOPHONES IS BULL****

 

[The Imp]

Well, the daily mail is a very reliable paper, I mean it has only had to dole out the cash in 14 libel suits!!

* November 2009 - Actress Kate Winslet awarded £25,000 in damages after an article in the Daily Mail titled "Should Kate Winslet win an Oscar for the world's most irritating actress?" accuses her of lying about her exercise regime. [35]
* 2009 - September - Metropolitan police commander Ali Dizaei accepts 'substantial' damages after a story falsely accusing him of being a bigamist.[36]
* 2009 - May - Labour MP Tom Watson accepts 'substantial undisclosed damages' over untrue allegations he 'was not only copied into emails between former Downing Street press adviser Damian McBride and activist Derek Draper but "encouraged" them.'[37]
* 2009 - May - three women whose stories had appeared in an article about women who'd adopted children, suggesting they did so for 'selfish' reasons, were awarded £10,000 each in damages.[38]
* 2009 - January - £30,000 award to Dr Austen Ivereigh, who had worked for Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, accused of hypocrisy over abortion.[39]
* 2007 - May - Actress Keira Knightley awarded £3,000 for an article in which it was falsely claimed she was anorexic.[40]
* 2006 - May - £100,000 damages for Elton John, falsely accused of rude and dictatorial behaviour[41]
* 2006 - April - Undisclosed damages paid to actress Sharon Stone following a story falsely claiming she'd left her child in a car unattended while she ate at a nearby restaurant.[42]
* 2006 - March - A formal apology and substantial damages awarded to businessman Sheldon Adelson, in a case estimated to have cost £4m [43][44]
* 2004 - April - Actor Rowan Atkinson was paid 'substantial' damages after story falsely stating he was on the verge of a mental breakdown.[45]
* 2003- October - Actress Diana Rigg awarded £30,000 in damages over story which 'wrongly portrayed her as an embittered woman who held British men in low regard'[46]
* 2003 - August - Actress Nicole Kidman awarded 'substantial' damages after false story accused her of having an affair with actor Jude Law [47]
* 2001 - February - Businessman Alan Sugar was awarded £100,000 in damages following story which falsly accused him of 'being "miserly" in his stewardship of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.'[48]
* 1899 - February - £1000 damages to William Waldorf Astor, having been held up to ridicule and contempt[49]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Libel_lawsuits

 

[Godwynn]

I thought you said Britain wasn't in Europe, Quackers?

 

[Tekee]

BTW MONTREAL IS FRACOPHONE NOT ANGLOPHONE SO SAYING ANGLOPHONE HEALTHCARE SUCKS BECAUSE OF AN INCIDENT BY THE FRACOPHONES IS BULL****

Lol looking up sources is even worse. For Pain Center Therapy, average wait time is 6 months to 2 years....
Source, Canadian healthcare websites.
http://www.canadianpaincoalition.ca/index.php/en/help-centre/clinic-locations/QC
List of Pain Centers in Canada.

For the second year in a row, Montreal newspaper La Presse rated admission times at Quebec hospitals and found the average time to be admitted to hospital through an emergency room is 16 hours and 18 minutes, about 30 minutes longer than two years ago.

The average exceeds Quebec's target wait time of 12 hours, established by Jean Charest's Liberal government in its last mandate.

The survey found only one-third of Quebec's hospitals managed to keep their averages under that limit.
The hardest-hit was the Université de Montréal Health Centre (CHUM), which finished dead last in the report, with an average 29-hour wait time for emergency admission.

David Musyj, president and CEO of Windsor Regional Hospital, said the average wait time for the most urgent ER cases was about 14 hours

Windsor is already in English Canada.
Canada is a former English colony, stolen from the french.
I still think no english country has a good public healthcare system.
When English countries abandon socialized healthcare they create such wonders as the american health care system. The number one healthcare in the world. Rather then standardized crap care.

 

[Bill3000]

You're right. Britain is the sick man of Europe. Let's put him down.

 

[civ_king]

Lol looking up sources is even worse. For Pain Center Therapy, average wait time is 6 months to 2 years....
Source, Canadian healthcare websites.
http://www.canadianpaincoalition.ca/index.php/en/help-centre/clinic-locations/QC
List of Pain Centers in Canada.





Windsor is already in English Canada.
Canada is a former English colony, stolen from the french.
I still think no english country has a good public healthcare system.
When English countries abandon socialized healthcare they create such wonders as the american health care system. The number one healthcare in the world. Rather then standardized crap care.

Pain centers

[citation needed

 

[Tekee]

You're right. Britain is the sick man of Europe. Let's put him down.

HAHAHA You cannot! Britian didn't let russia put down the other sick man of Europe, the Ottomans, and now you will pay! Except it is disgraceful that there is no stakes. Destroying the ottoman's was the fight between freedom (Russia) and slavery(Turks) of the east.

What good is ther in death of England? It is so poor! Everyone hates the queen and talks about her old vulva!
And there is no heroics in destroying Britian, it is need to be fixed!.
English is not meant to experiment in socialism, they always fail!

 

[Godwynn]

Destroying the ottoman's was the fight between freedom (Russia) and slavery(Turks) of the east.

No matter who loses a war between Russia and the Ottoman Empire, I win.