Callous society or are people too afraid to help?

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Chinese toddler run over and ignored 'to remain in vegetative state'

The Chinese toddler who was ignored by 18 passers-by after being the victim of a hit-and-run accident in a wholesale market in southern China is likely to remain in a persistent vegetative state, according to senior hospital doctors treating her.

This is the critically injured toddler who is fighting for her life after she was run over twice and ignored by passers-by in China.

Yue Yue, two, remains in a coma after the horrific incident was captured on surveillance camera in a narrow street in Foshan city, Guandong province.

After days of treatment, the little girl has regained the ability to take weak breaths with the help of a respirator and some feeling in her arms, according to China Daily.

Her heart beat has also stabilised, but her life remains in danger and there are concerns she may have suffered extensive brain damage.

Video of the shocking moment she was hit by a car and then ignored by more than a dozen people who walked or drove past her as she lay in the street has sparked outrage in China and the world.

Both drivers who ran her over had been arrested, but internet users have flooded microblogs over the apathy of the people who left her to die.

The two men, along with people who left her on the road, claimed not to have seen the little girl in the 'dark' street.

Chinese media reports that one of the men had allegedly just broken up with his girlfriend and was on his mobile phone when he hit the girl.

The Shanghaiist claims one driver called Yue Yue's father to offer him money just before he was arrested.

It claims he said: 'You saw that girl on the CCTV footage, she didn't see where she was going, you know.

'I was on the phone when it happened, I didn't mean it.

'When I realised I had knocked her down, I thought I'd go down to see how she was.

'Then when I saw that she was already bleeding, I decided to just step on the gas pedal and escape seeing that nobody was around me.'


Authorities in Foshan presented Chen Xianmei, a rubbish collector who went to Yue Yue's aid, with $1,570 as a reward.

Another company in the city has also offered to donate $7,500 to her family and rescuer.

China's economic boom and the growing disparity between the rich and poor have made changing social values a contentious topic, with some lamenting what they see as materialism replacing morals.

Yueyue's father Wang told Chinese television: 'Yueyue is so lovely. If I quarrelled with her mother and if her mother cried, she would tell us not to cry, she always tried to amuse us.

'I just hope my child will wake up and call me Dad again.'

China's equivalent of Twitter, Sina Weibo, has seen 4.4million comments posted on the little girl's plight, under the heading 'please end the cold-heartedness'.

One user called the incident 'the shame of the Chinese people'.

Another user, under the name Xiaozhong001, wrote: 'Really, what is up with our society? I saw this and my heart went cold.

'Everyone needs to do some soul-searching about ending this kind of indifference.'

Many people in China are hesitant to help people who appear to be in distress over fears they will be blamed.

High-profile law suits have ended with good Samaritans ordered to pay hefty fines to individuals they sought to help.


The incident has also sparked a series of soul-searching articles in Chinese newspapers, including the Guangzho Daily and People's Daily Online.

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And here's a comment by someone who claimed to have lived in China:

I am a Brit that has lived in China for 8 years. On a one on one basis, most Chinese people are very nice, to your face anyway. However, If I were to be hit by a car or have a heart attack in the street, I would in all likelyhood be left for dead. The only help I would get is someone removing my wallet! I happened upon a Chinese guy that had just had his neck badly slashed by 4 guys with machete's. He was obviously bleeding to death. I tried to jump out of the car to help even though the the guys that did it were not far away. The Chinese people in my car, pulled me back in and said do not get involved. Sorry China, but this is fact as people just do want any hassle. If someone did take me to the hospital the first thing hospital staff would ask is 'who is paying?' This little girl is now dead by the way.

That's not unbelievable as far as Chinese mentality goes. However, stuff like this happens in the West too. Sometimes the reason offered is that playing good Samaritan doesn't pay in the age of lawsuits. That's no excuse, to be honest, but it's indeed quite tragic if true.

If I were to see something like this happen, I think I'd call the ambulance and try to stop oncoming vehicles. Carrying her away might not have been the best idea given that it could worsen her injuries, which, besides opening yourself up to the risk of prosecution, would obviously be bad for the victim too.

Any thoughts?
 
Disgusting.
 
I saw this on CNN yesterday and it didn't surprise me.

My wife had a motorcycle stolen and when she chased, in vain after the thief, she tripped and fell down. Nobody offered to help her get up (or try to stop the thief or call police) and just looked at her like she was crazy and/or she was the one that did something wrong.

'Then when I saw that she was already bleeding, I decided to just step on the gas pedal and escape seeing that nobody was around me.'

That's the same mentality my wife's sister had when she ran over a woman at night. "She wasn't moving, and nobody saw me".
 
Disgusting indeed.

I've heard similar things from people who lived in China, and many theories. Some blame the Cultural Revolution for creating an essentialy amoral society. Others say it is part of ancient chinese mentality. I have no idea as I've never been to China and the only chinese people I know are street vendors who all seem perfectly nice to me.

Brazilians have a lot of moral shortcomings (corruption most notably), but they'll always react when they see a robbery going on, or an accident caused by a reckless driver. It's not unusual for the police to have to protect criminals who are chased by angry mobs when caught robbing someone. Same with drivers. If you run over someone on the street, especially a kid, you're in deep deep trouble.
 
Studies have shown that if an accident happens in a crowded place people often don't help because they just believe someone else will do it. If it's an isolated place people are more likely to help.

I lived in China for awhile and I never wittnessed anything like this. Of course I wasn't there for very long. The interesting thing is, in China if there's a fight, people crowd around really closely and watch it.
 
It sounds like people want to avoid lawsuits or being punished for trying to help. I don't blame the Chinese under those circumstances - why would you want to go out of your way to accept potential life-crushing liability?
 
Similar things have happened in the United States before. I remember a thread about one on here, where I was roundly hammered for saying I would help someone laying in the road like that, because if you try to help someone and wind up hurting them more in the process you can be held liable and sued for that.

I think in the story, the woman had been dragged from a burning car, suffered a neck injury as a result of that dragging, and successfully sued her rescuer for the damages, saying that she'd rather have been left in the car to die than live with the thing he'd done to her.

Absolutely disgusting morality.
 
Similar things have happened in the United States before. I remember a thread about one on here, where I was roundly hammered for saying I would help someone laying in the road like that, because if you try to help someone and wind up hurting them more in the process you can be held liable and sued for that.

I think in the story, the woman had been dragged from a burning car, suffered a neck injury as a result of that dragging, and successfully sued her rescuer for the damages, saying that she'd rather have been left in the car to die than live with the thing he'd done to her.

Absolutely disgusting morality.

You guys really need to get over this lawsuit culture...
 
It's a well-documented phenomenon called "bystander apathy". Happens everywhere, the causes are unknown, much like with the opposite (altruism).

As for the Brit guy in the OP, looks to me like his Chinese friends stopped him getting involved in some gang feud (4 guys? With machetes to boot? They don't sound like small-time petty criminals, that's for sure), so his own life would probably have been at risk.
 
Studies have shown that if an accident happens in a crowded place people often don't help because they just believe someone else will do it. If it's an isolated place people are more likely to help.
Yeah. The diffusion of responsibility and all that stuff.

Doesn't apply to this case, but who knows, maybe this "wounded man in the street" will take all money from your pocket as you "help" him and then run away? The crooks are very crafty and it's worth to be cynical. Just assume that everyone is a crook unless proved otherwise. And frankly - what if toddler girls can be taught to steal? These children are very egoistical and crafty!
 
I think in the story, the woman had been dragged from a burning car, suffered a neck injury as a result of that dragging, and successfully sued her rescuer for the damages, saying that she'd rather have been left in the car to die than live with the thing he'd done to her.

When some people refuse help, sometimes it's best to not give it.
 
Disgusting indeed.

I've heard similar things from people who lived in China, and many theories. Some blame the Cultural Revolution for creating an essentialy amoral society. Others say it is part of ancient chinese mentality. I have no idea as I've never been to China and the only chinese people I know are street vendors who all seem perfectly nice to me.

You can't simply blame the Cultural Revolution, I can tell you that much. Plenty of overseas Chinese were not affected by that, and they still have the kind of mentality expressed in the OP. I'm tempted to attribute this to a particularly extreme manifestation of communal ethics, which is often encapsulated by the term 'guanxi' and means that, if you don't know the victim, then it's not really your business.

Similar things have happened in the United States before. I remember a thread about one on here, where I was roundly hammered for saying I would help someone laying in the road like that, because if you try to help someone and wind up hurting them more in the process you can be held liable and sued for that.

I think in the story, the woman had been dragged from a burning car, suffered a neck injury as a result of that dragging, and successfully sued her rescuer for the damages, saying that she'd rather have been left in the car to die than live with the thing he'd done to her.

Absolutely disgusting morality.

I think there's some room to be judicious in attempting to help. The person in the burning car is a rather extreme example, and I'm honestly surprised to hear that she managed to win the lawsuit. What was the judge thinking?

But you do need to be careful in less dire circumstances and make sure that you don't complicate the situation in trying to help instinctively but without much consideration.
 
Some places have good salmonella samaritian laws where if you help someone to the best of your ability and knowledge but accidentally hurt them worse they can't sue you for that.
 
Some places have good salmonella laws where if you help someone to the best of your ability and knowledge but accidentally hurt them worse they can't sue you for that.

Although I do enjoy places that have good salmonella laws, I think the word you are looking for here is samaritan.
 
When some people refuse help, sometimes it's best to not give it.

Perhaps. In the case I'm describing previously, however, the woman was unconscious.

I think there's some room to be judicious in attempting to help. The person in the burning car is a rather extreme example, and I'm honestly surprised to hear that she managed to win the lawsuit. What was the judge thinking?

But you do need to be careful in less dire circumstances and make sure that you don't complicate the situation in trying to help instinctively but without much consideration.

I certainly agree with that. But I would rather we not punish good-hearted people trying to do good in such a way that inhibits people from even trying to help. A similar problem exists with lost children in a shopping mall. Who wants to be the one who tries to honestly help them find their parents and gets labeled a kidnapper or pedophile?
 
A similar problem exists with lost children in a shopping mall. Who wants to be the one who tries to honestly help them find their parents and gets labeled a kidnapper or pedophile?

I was taught when I was younger that if I got lost in a store I should find someone who works there or try to find the checkouts. (This is one of the things my mother actually did right.)
 
When I was in China 2004 I saw an tricycle crash with a guy lying on the street being injured. Instead of calling an ambulance or giving first aid the passing pedestrians just stayed for a while to laugh their ass off and pointed at the injured guy. My taxi driver did not stop but as he was not speaking English and I don't speak Chinese there was no discussion so we just passed by :(

I guess it's a society where everybody knows everyone is replaceable (esp. if it's a poor guy)

BTW in some other forum I've already seen a gif from that video. (Retards everywhere ... who would want to see it again and again?)
 
The topic of this thread reminds me of a news story I saw earlier on this year, January/February time I believe, when an eighty year old woman, or thereabouts, attempted to halt a daylight burglary of a jewellery store. As she was attempting this all other passers-by stood watched, apart from one or two who decided to start filming it on their phones...
 
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