Terrance888
Discord Reigns
OOC: Wait... Naples you DID unite Italy!
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Against... you.
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Against... you.
Capto Iugulum
- Thread starter EQandcivfanatic
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OOC: My master plan has been discovered! >.<
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
The Italians are anti-unification unless it is unifying to stop unification.
erez87
Lord of Random
- Joined
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to the Papacy:
from Genoa:
My father. My Pope. Like you I do not believe in an Italian nation, We are Genoase, Romans etc... Not Italians. Yet I request from you to cease this attack on free speech. We both know the people need to release their words one way or another, without free speech they will release with weapons and war, and this would allow a rise in nationalism. Please, allow Naples to keep their press open like Genoa does.
OOC: I hate myself
I want a huge war since that's the only thing that will get me a chance to grow in power and land, but... I can't since my allies would be the ones killing me in such a case...
from Genoa:
My father. My Pope. Like you I do not believe in an Italian nation, We are Genoase, Romans etc... Not Italians. Yet I request from you to cease this attack on free speech. We both know the people need to release their words one way or another, without free speech they will release with weapons and war, and this would allow a rise in nationalism. Please, allow Naples to keep their press open like Genoa does.
OOC: I hate myself
I want a huge war since that's the only thing that will get me a chance to grow in power and land, but... I can't since my allies would be the ones killing me in such a case...
TheLizardKing
Let's talk Michelle.
From: Austria
To: All Those Concerned
We are glad that Milan and Hungary have decided to stop supporting the Nationalistic regime in Naples. A unified Italy would bring nothing but trouble to a world already embroiled in war. We are simply taking this time to again clarify, we are at war with Naples, and any nation that wishes to support their nationalistic endeavors, and will stop at nothing to make sure that peace reigns supreme in Italy. We have no issues with any other nations, unless they involve themselves in this regional war.
To: All Those Concerned
We are glad that Milan and Hungary have decided to stop supporting the Nationalistic regime in Naples. A unified Italy would bring nothing but trouble to a world already embroiled in war. We are simply taking this time to again clarify, we are at war with Naples, and any nation that wishes to support their nationalistic endeavors, and will stop at nothing to make sure that peace reigns supreme in Italy. We have no issues with any other nations, unless they involve themselves in this regional war.
Jehoshua
Catholic
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To: The Various Italian Nations
From: The Holy See
His Holiness expresses his warm regards to Genoa for its solidarity with the cause against the pernicious Neapolitan regime. They would construe this conflict as one of freedom of speech, and have us as the instigator in this war, but you have discerned rightly that the true cause of this war is Naples. For in directly sponsoring a press that proposes unification it directly attacks the right to sovereignty of our respective nations and agitates for rebellion in the name of "unification" (presumably under the neapolitan regime), amongst our people. As such the papal states will continue with its efforts to ensure this revisionist and revolutionary state is purged from the italian region for the good of all our peoples and to protect the sovereignty of states from subversive Neapolitan activities.
As to Genoese concerns regarding freedom of press, the matter of freedom of press is not a concern until a papal garrison makes is presence known from the border marches to the very tip of Reggio Calabria and to all realms occupied by the Neapolitan state. At the present this war is a matter of pre-emptive defence against a state with revisionist tendencies, once the problem of Naples has ceased to exist, then the issue you describe will become a concern of ours, and the decision of what is permitted to print will fall upon the shoulders of the curia.
We give our apostolic benedictions to our italian brothers at arms in this war and our warm regards to Austria for its support for the cause.
Papa Leo XIV
From: The Holy See
His Holiness expresses his warm regards to Genoa for its solidarity with the cause against the pernicious Neapolitan regime. They would construe this conflict as one of freedom of speech, and have us as the instigator in this war, but you have discerned rightly that the true cause of this war is Naples. For in directly sponsoring a press that proposes unification it directly attacks the right to sovereignty of our respective nations and agitates for rebellion in the name of "unification" (presumably under the neapolitan regime), amongst our people. As such the papal states will continue with its efforts to ensure this revisionist and revolutionary state is purged from the italian region for the good of all our peoples and to protect the sovereignty of states from subversive Neapolitan activities.
As to Genoese concerns regarding freedom of press, the matter of freedom of press is not a concern until a papal garrison makes is presence known from the border marches to the very tip of Reggio Calabria and to all realms occupied by the Neapolitan state. At the present this war is a matter of pre-emptive defence against a state with revisionist tendencies, once the problem of Naples has ceased to exist, then the issue you describe will become a concern of ours, and the decision of what is permitted to print will fall upon the shoulders of the curia.
We give our apostolic benedictions to our italian brothers at arms in this war and our warm regards to Austria for its support for the cause.
Papa Leo XIV
SamSniped
DJ Goodboye
To the Pope
From Milan
Did you receive our message? (check your VMs
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From Milan
Did you receive our message? (check your VMs
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m.t.cicero
Good Kid
To: Jamaica
From: Flanders
We are afraid that we must cancel our deal.
We also announce that we are cancelling the Belgica-class Destroyer project.
From: Flanders
We are afraid that we must cancel our deal.
We also announce that we are cancelling the Belgica-class Destroyer project.
To: The Pope
CC: All Italian Nations and Italians
From: Naples
Obviously the Pope is against freedom of speech and press! Naples gave no indication of unification prior to the Pope declaring war upon Naples just for opening a press to give freedoms of speech to all Italians! Only after that did Naples try to rally the support of our fellow Italians and Italian kingdoms. Then they all decide to back the Pope after and point me out as the aggressor in this war, Naples did nothing to hurt any other Italian kingdom we had only opened a press allowing free speech for Italians. So if this is what the rest of the Italian kingdoms will back, a tyrant Pope who is against freedom of speech and press, then we are very saddened and will have to defend ourselves against the tyranny of the Pope and the misguided Italian kingdoms.
CC: All Italian Nations and Italians
From: Naples
Obviously the Pope is against freedom of speech and press! Naples gave no indication of unification prior to the Pope declaring war upon Naples just for opening a press to give freedoms of speech to all Italians! Only after that did Naples try to rally the support of our fellow Italians and Italian kingdoms. Then they all decide to back the Pope after and point me out as the aggressor in this war, Naples did nothing to hurt any other Italian kingdom we had only opened a press allowing free speech for Italians. So if this is what the rest of the Italian kingdoms will back, a tyrant Pope who is against freedom of speech and press, then we are very saddened and will have to defend ourselves against the tyranny of the Pope and the misguided Italian kingdoms.
Tuscany is officially proclaiming neutrality in all standing conflicts.
Agent 89
King
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To: Naples
From: Sardinia
This war is no longer solely about your sponsoring of a nationalistic press. The fact that Naples began calling for the unification of all of Italy when only the Pope and Austria had declared war on you shows that you will use any excuse to further your goal of unification under the flag of Naples. Sardinia has declared war to protect her sovereignty, which you have clearly threatened.
From: Sardinia
This war is no longer solely about your sponsoring of a nationalistic press. The fact that Naples began calling for the unification of all of Italy when only the Pope and Austria had declared war on you shows that you will use any excuse to further your goal of unification under the flag of Naples. Sardinia has declared war to protect her sovereignty, which you have clearly threatened.
Jehoshua
Catholic
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- 7,284
To: Naples
CC: All Italian Nations and Italians
From: The Holy See
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The Government of Naples was warned prior to the declaration of war that its sponsorship of a press that advocated for unification would be seen as intrinsic support for unification, and as a subversive act against our realm. Your failure to withdraw sponsorship, and your subsequent enthusiastic advocacy for unification (presumably under the Neapolitan Monarchy) after the formal initiation of hostilities indicate that our cause for war against you is not without basis and indeed that our assumptions were entirely accurate. The recent entrance of Sardinia into this war indicates that you have been shown out for the imperialists that you are.
The governments of the other italian states understand the truth of the matter and thus are united in their opposition to the imperialistic designs of Naples on our sovereign nations. We are glad that the Italian states understand the truth, and stand for independence and liberty in the face of neapolitan attacks on their fundamental right to exist.
Papa Leo XIV
CC: All Italian Nations and Italians
From: The Holy See
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The Government of Naples was warned prior to the declaration of war that its sponsorship of a press that advocated for unification would be seen as intrinsic support for unification, and as a subversive act against our realm. Your failure to withdraw sponsorship, and your subsequent enthusiastic advocacy for unification (presumably under the Neapolitan Monarchy) after the formal initiation of hostilities indicate that our cause for war against you is not without basis and indeed that our assumptions were entirely accurate. The recent entrance of Sardinia into this war indicates that you have been shown out for the imperialists that you are.
The governments of the other italian states understand the truth of the matter and thus are united in their opposition to the imperialistic designs of Naples on our sovereign nations. We are glad that the Italian states understand the truth, and stand for independence and liberty in the face of neapolitan attacks on their fundamental right to exist.
Papa Leo XIV
Terrance888
Discord Reigns
"Mother, I'm home" came the voice as the door opened. I wiped the sweat from my head as I left the remaining dishes in the sink.
"Come here young man!" I spoke as he closed the door behind him "You're late and you've missed din..."
No.
He was wearing a uniform.
"I've Enlisted." he spoke, I backed up, "We march to training tomorrow."
This cannot be.
"We will arrive on the frontlines by May"
This cannot be!
"Mother?"
"THIS CANNOT BE!" I shouted. "You are my last son! All the others died or are in jail for that demonstration four years ago!"
"I will fight for the them" he said, pulling away from my arms to the bag he has prepared already. "For Father.
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For you."
Silence. I leaned against him, tears streaming from my eyes.
"I promise, we'll be back by Christmas" he said as he lifted his bag and prepared to walk out. Without his support I fall limply against the bed.
"I love you" I said as as he turned to open the door.
"I love you too" he said, "Good bye." he gave me a sad smile and turned to close the door.
"Fight hard if you must!" I cry as he closed the door.
...
Silence.
Silence like the day a Uniformed man.
When he came bearing news of my Gustav's death.
Silence, broken only by my sobs.
"Come here young man!" I spoke as he closed the door behind him "You're late and you've missed din..."
No.
He was wearing a uniform.
"I've Enlisted." he spoke, I backed up, "We march to training tomorrow."
This cannot be.
"We will arrive on the frontlines by May"
This cannot be!
"Mother?"
"THIS CANNOT BE!" I shouted. "You are my last son! All the others died or are in jail for that demonstration four years ago!"
"I will fight for the them" he said, pulling away from my arms to the bag he has prepared already. "For Father.
...
For you."
Silence. I leaned against him, tears streaming from my eyes.
"I promise, we'll be back by Christmas" he said as he lifted his bag and prepared to walk out. Without his support I fall limply against the bed.
"I love you" I said as as he turned to open the door.
"I love you too" he said, "Good bye." he gave me a sad smile and turned to close the door.
"Fight hard if you must!" I cry as he closed the door.
...
Silence.
Silence like the day a Uniformed man.
When he came bearing news of my Gustav's death.
Silence, broken only by my sobs.
SamSniped
DJ Goodboye
The Kingdom of Milan is now at peace, and declares neutrality.
Jehoshua
Catholic
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Papal Announcement
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The Government of Milan has corresponded with us and agreed to a peace treaty with a pact of non-aggression attached. It is our hope that this peace shall serve to increase the bonds of solidarity amongst the Italian states and the Holy See against Neapolitan imperialism.
~ Secretariat for Relations with States.
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The Government of Milan has corresponded with us and agreed to a peace treaty with a pact of non-aggression attached. It is our hope that this peace shall serve to increase the bonds of solidarity amongst the Italian states and the Holy See against Neapolitan imperialism.
~ Secretariat for Relations with States.
To: Sardinia, Pope Leo XIV
CC: Italian nations and Italians
From: Naples
We have called for the freedom from oppression, we have called for freedom for our Italian brothers and sisters. We have called for unification but that doesn't mean one nation ruling Italy. It means all the nations work together to strengthen Italy. We never said that WE would rule Italy singularly. Anything we said about a united Italy was meant that all the Italian nations would work together and free any oppressed Italians.
The Italian National Press was just for free speech, never was it intended to push for one singular Italy. However all you that oppose Naples say that we are wanting to push for a singular united Italy. Naples is an advocate for the rights of Italians and have sought to free those Italians that are without their freedoms! Pope Leo XIV tried to pressure Naples into shutting down the Italian National Press in Naples and threatened war if it was not shut down. It was a press for all Italians to come and voice their own opinions freely. Never was it meant to push for unification.
To: Sardinia
From: Naples
How do you see us as threatening to your nation when we came to you before looking for an alliance, a defensive pact and trade agreements? After we had no reply from your nation we didn't press the matter, we did not threaten your nation we just left you in peace. Now after that you agree with the Pope who declared war upon Naples over a press allowing freedom of speech for Italians and the Pope that put the idea into everyone that Naples is trying to take over all Italy so that he can gain support in attacking us? We wish you would see what is the truth, we have never threatened your nation, we have only wished for peace and a strong friendship between our two nations.
To: Pope Leo XIV
From: Naples
Pope Leo XIV you are just a power hungry Pope who fears what may happen if Italians have freedoms. You know freedom of speech in Naples would cause problems for you, we never meant to start any quarrels with any Italian nations. We supported our fellow Italians in Sicily when no one else would! We helped save them from oppression and then they voted to join us, we did not ask them to, we did not push them into joining us. Just the same as we have not asked or pushed for any other Italian nations to join Naples, we have spoken to other Italian nations about possible alliances and defensive pacts and such. If we were allies with other Italian nations what makes you think our intentions are that of controlling them? Pushing for freedoms of Italians and trying to bring peace to Italy by forming alliances within Italy is no way an attempt to take over Italy. Obviously it is YOU who wishes to control Italy, it may not be by a complete take over, but by pressuring the other Italian nations into thinking a nation you disagree with is threatening their sovereignty and are looking to take over them. We have invited you to our nation to have talks, see our views on things and many other topics and you refused so how is it we are painted as the bad in this picture?
CC: Italian nations and Italians
From: Naples
We have called for the freedom from oppression, we have called for freedom for our Italian brothers and sisters. We have called for unification but that doesn't mean one nation ruling Italy. It means all the nations work together to strengthen Italy. We never said that WE would rule Italy singularly. Anything we said about a united Italy was meant that all the Italian nations would work together and free any oppressed Italians.
The Italian National Press was just for free speech, never was it intended to push for one singular Italy. However all you that oppose Naples say that we are wanting to push for a singular united Italy. Naples is an advocate for the rights of Italians and have sought to free those Italians that are without their freedoms! Pope Leo XIV tried to pressure Naples into shutting down the Italian National Press in Naples and threatened war if it was not shut down. It was a press for all Italians to come and voice their own opinions freely. Never was it meant to push for unification.
To: Sardinia
From: Naples
How do you see us as threatening to your nation when we came to you before looking for an alliance, a defensive pact and trade agreements? After we had no reply from your nation we didn't press the matter, we did not threaten your nation we just left you in peace. Now after that you agree with the Pope who declared war upon Naples over a press allowing freedom of speech for Italians and the Pope that put the idea into everyone that Naples is trying to take over all Italy so that he can gain support in attacking us? We wish you would see what is the truth, we have never threatened your nation, we have only wished for peace and a strong friendship between our two nations.
To: Pope Leo XIV
From: Naples
Pope Leo XIV you are just a power hungry Pope who fears what may happen if Italians have freedoms. You know freedom of speech in Naples would cause problems for you, we never meant to start any quarrels with any Italian nations. We supported our fellow Italians in Sicily when no one else would! We helped save them from oppression and then they voted to join us, we did not ask them to, we did not push them into joining us. Just the same as we have not asked or pushed for any other Italian nations to join Naples, we have spoken to other Italian nations about possible alliances and defensive pacts and such. If we were allies with other Italian nations what makes you think our intentions are that of controlling them? Pushing for freedoms of Italians and trying to bring peace to Italy by forming alliances within Italy is no way an attempt to take over Italy. Obviously it is YOU who wishes to control Italy, it may not be by a complete take over, but by pressuring the other Italian nations into thinking a nation you disagree with is threatening their sovereignty and are looking to take over them. We have invited you to our nation to have talks, see our views on things and many other topics and you refused so how is it we are painted as the bad in this picture?
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
A short, terrible story;
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"Whats your name, son!" yelled the recruiter, at the young man signing up for the Danish navy in front of him.
"Bohr, sir! Niels Bohr!" the boy replied, whipping his hand up into a rapid salute.
"Your salute's wrong, son," the man laughed, "but thats alright. What did you do before you decide do sign up, eh?"
"I was a student, sir! Of physics, sir!"
"Physics, eh? A scholar and man of the sciences! Why are you signing up for a mans life in the Danish Navy?"
"To kill Brits, sir! And serve my country."
"I like the second one, less so the first. Still, you've got heart, I can say that much. But remember, son; its better to save the country than crush the enemy. Remember that."
"Will do, sir."
"Welcome to the Navy, Seaman Niels Bohr!"
Excerpt from the book The Rise and Fall of Niels Bohr
...With the outbreak of war with the Krakow Pact, Denmark was whipped into a nationalistic and brutal fury. Uniformed men appeared on every street corner, exhorting young men to join the Navy or the Army and defend Denmark from "The German/British/Polish" menace. The practice of encouraging young women to shame their men into signing up into the army also became common around this time. It is believed that this fervour and nationalist conciousness compelled the young Niels Bohr to abandon his education in physics and join the Danish Navy, where he was stationed aboard the Java-class Battleship KDS Aarlsborg, under Captain Ludvig Mylius-Erichsen...
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"Whats your name, son!" yelled the recruiter, at the young man signing up for the Danish navy in front of him.
"Bohr, sir! Niels Bohr!" the boy replied, whipping his hand up into a rapid salute.
"Your salute's wrong, son," the man laughed, "but thats alright. What did you do before you decide do sign up, eh?"
"I was a student, sir! Of physics, sir!"
"Physics, eh? A scholar and man of the sciences! Why are you signing up for a mans life in the Danish Navy?"
"To kill Brits, sir! And serve my country."
"I like the second one, less so the first. Still, you've got heart, I can say that much. But remember, son; its better to save the country than crush the enemy. Remember that."
"Will do, sir."
"Welcome to the Navy, Seaman Niels Bohr!"
Excerpt from the book The Rise and Fall of Niels Bohr
...With the outbreak of war with the Krakow Pact, Denmark was whipped into a nationalistic and brutal fury. Uniformed men appeared on every street corner, exhorting young men to join the Navy or the Army and defend Denmark from "The German/British/Polish" menace. The practice of encouraging young women to shame their men into signing up into the army also became common around this time. It is believed that this fervour and nationalist conciousness compelled the young Niels Bohr to abandon his education in physics and join the Danish Navy, where he was stationed aboard the Java-class Battleship KDS Aarlsborg, under Captain Ludvig Mylius-Erichsen...
To: Milan
From: Naples
We are very surprised that you would go against our defensive pact when Milan was quickly to accept it along with the other terms we offered in our alliance. We hope the world will recognize your betrayal of who you pledged an alliance to. Milan was quickly to accept the alliance when it was peace time, yet now they are just leaving us in the dark times. Naples knows the people of Milan are not reflected in this decision and hope they realize who is running their nation abandons their allies in times of need.
From: Naples
We are very surprised that you would go against our defensive pact when Milan was quickly to accept it along with the other terms we offered in our alliance. We hope the world will recognize your betrayal of who you pledged an alliance to. Milan was quickly to accept the alliance when it was peace time, yet now they are just leaving us in the dark times. Naples knows the people of Milan are not reflected in this decision and hope they realize who is running their nation abandons their allies in times of need.
Now, first and most importantly, this is the 60 hour warning to get those orders in. This is NOT the update you want to miss.
I want to extend the fullest and happiest welcome to all the new players. I have to say, it's glad to have you all aboard, and I want to state my key philosophy about NESing and players within for both you new players and to remind the old. Not everyone will be a winner in the war ahead. Some of you will lose, and perhaps lose everything within your nation, or even something that you fought for for the five updates we've had so far and the 22 updates of Capto Iugulum's first part. To me, the most glorious NESer isn't the one who triumphs over all his enemies. It's the one who loses, but soldiers on regardless, even if only as another nation. This war won't last forever, and this NES has another 195 updates, at least, to go. I hope therefore that those of you who lose will do so with dignity above all else, which is something I know people have trouble with. There's always a greater future to be had, even in defeat.
Now, the following submission is one for the Political cartoon section. However, I have already received a large number of said cartoons for possible inclusion. This one, I find to be very good, and not to diminish the others, here it is:
I want to extend the fullest and happiest welcome to all the new players. I have to say, it's glad to have you all aboard, and I want to state my key philosophy about NESing and players within for both you new players and to remind the old. Not everyone will be a winner in the war ahead. Some of you will lose, and perhaps lose everything within your nation, or even something that you fought for for the five updates we've had so far and the 22 updates of Capto Iugulum's first part. To me, the most glorious NESer isn't the one who triumphs over all his enemies. It's the one who loses, but soldiers on regardless, even if only as another nation. This war won't last forever, and this NES has another 195 updates, at least, to go. I hope therefore that those of you who lose will do so with dignity above all else, which is something I know people have trouble with. There's always a greater future to be had, even in defeat.
Now, the following submission is one for the Political cartoon section. However, I have already received a large number of said cartoons for possible inclusion. This one, I find to be very good, and not to diminish the others, here it is:
Circuit
Writing Letters
Both Crezth and I have awesome backup plans in the event we lose. Not that we will try to make that a reality, of course...
