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[Farm Boy]

I can see the reason for your snarkiness and might even join in on it. Instead you're also directing it at those who have personal and emotional reasons for abortions. And I have been there for two people who had those reasons (which I will not go into before you ask), so I hope you'll understand that snarkiness will always cause a response from me since you're aiming at at people who I know do not deserve it.

Which I regret, because I remember having productive discussions with you on this subject

So sorry my lack of satisfaction with the term pro-choice is unacceptable to you. So sorry that I have a problem with the destruction of developing human life in principle. I am also sorry that my admission that it needs to and support that it be available as an option, no questions asked at all(I cannot fathom why you would think I want to know the reason(s) behind any of your friends/family/acquiantences decisions to abort), for the good of women is also not satisfactory. I do know the reasons women seek abortions are terrible, callous, grave, petty, and everything from here to there. Understandable and not, it's a huge decision. I'm not making light of that. Regardless of why it's done, those women need care not judgement after the fact. But man, if suddenly my assertion that abortion is a wrongness that can only be justified by the fact that the imperfect world we live in can sometimes make it a lesser wrongness than all of the alternatives is a surprise to you, I don't know what to say.

Are you surprised I would attack the culture of sexual activity that can make this a more common issue(again, understanding this isn't the cause in all cases)? I'd be amazed, I've done that before. Are you surprised I would attack some of the justifications for abortion seeking if I think those justifications are based on assumptions of facts that simply are not true on the ground? The costs arguments could be valid, I don't fault people for thinking they're true if they've never looked at the issue, but they simply aren't true much of the time in the developed western world. They aren't likely to become any more true in the foreseeable future either. Please point out to me where I'm snarky with women, eh? About the only situation I can come up with that would actually make me livid is for somebody sexually active using abortion as plan C birth control without being very caring about plans A and B(at which point I'm just as angry with the d-bag male anyhow). But I've already said I don't want any questions asked in this process in the first place, so I don't see why you'd care.

Actually, if you want to be snarky back, I suppose I should try to give you some ammo. Given that my decision making process isn't using the same inputs as say, El Mac's is, I think I'd set the cutoff date for abortions(barring medical necessity) at a different point than he would. I think he cites ~24 weeks based on fetal development. I think I'd attempt to draw a line that gives women adequate time to identify their pregnancy, some time to decide, and then get it done. I'd probably toss a date of ~16-18 weeks out for that myself, I toyed with ~12 weeks mentally for a while, but I think that's actually significantly too short. Be mad with me about that if you want.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Ok, I'll give it a shot.

Going to take some preparation though.

 

[El_Machinae]

Actually, if you want to be snarky back, I suppose I should try to give you some ammo. Given that my decision making process isn't using the same inputs as say, El Mac's is, I think I'd set the cutoff date for abortions(barring medical necessity) at a different point than he would. I think he cites ~24 weeks based on fetal development. I think I'd attempt to draw a line that gives women adequate time to identify their pregnancy, some time to decide, and then get it done. I'd probably toss a date of ~16-18 weeks out for that myself, I toyed with ~12 weeks mentally for a while, but I think that's actually significantly too short. Be mad with me about that if you want.

That's certainly a true 'compromise' position, no doubt. Now, my 24 weeks is later than your 16, so it's hard to say how I would feel if the 'sentience date' was before the 'you had reasonable time' date.

Kudos on expanding from 12 weeks. I know on paper (to some) it seems reasonable, but it's just not enough time for a young lady. The true terror of "omg, I might actually be pregnant" doesn't actually start until week 9 or so.

 

[Farm Boy]

The fact that you can use the word terror in your last post and that it makes sense in multiple ways is, partially, a failing of all of us combined.