Christian facists on the march?

[JollyRoger]

Fine. When we get vouchers.

You cannot opt out. Read the link. It says so.

Vouchers are government subsdies. If you don't want the government telling you how to run your school, don't take government subsidies.

 

[Swedishguy]

If I had the power, I would stop immigration completely to those applicants who contend that there is a second political ideology that will hold all others in submission to it's rule. Then, I would make sure that before any citizenship were finalized, all applicants were to agree that they would accept the American Constitution above ALL other political and social contracts.

Any and all immigrants, whether Catholics from Mexico, Socialists from Europe, Buddhists from Vietnam, Hindus from India, Communists from Russia or East Europe, and Muslims from Islamic countries, all must agree to assimilate into American culture, speak English and keep our customs. No multiculturalism at all, no dual standard for women or nonbelievers, no quest for Sharia law. We are Americans here, a melting pot of those from around the world.

I don't think many would disagree with me. We have seen the multicultural madness in Europe and want none of it. Here, you want to be an American, or you do NOT come here.

Of course! That makes sense! Sweden is a very very very much fire-pot that is ready to blow up! (I'm being sarcastic if you didn't notice.)

But really, I don't get it why you view muslems as bad. My best friends are muslems. My class is about 33% swedes, the rest are immigrants! Vietnamese, Chinese, Russians, Germans, Irish, and Persians(Iranians) to say a few. You're statement doesn't make sense at all, I'm getting sick by your way of logic.

 

[ComradeDavo]

That is the biggest, most offensive and ridiculous statement I have ever heard. I thought peope like the guy in the OP were rare, but I see I was wrong. Drawing parallels between Christianity and fascism? I wish I could find that republican...

If your offended, i'm obviously onto something!

What i'm doing is stating the plain obvious - the Christian right has an authoriatarian aspect in common with facists, because they place high value in the state and their religion above the rights of the individial.

Facism does not just equal Nazis.

I mean just look at the first bit on wiki...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism is a radical political ideology that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, nationalism, militarism and anti-liberalism

Certaianlly the Christian Right is authoritarian and nationalistic, and it's stance on abortion, gays, drugs and free speach is certainally anti-Liberal. The support for the Iraq war and glorification of the troops and the obsession with the flag can come across as quite militaristic to.

When you look at it and consider this, you can understand why some would use the term 'Christian Facsists' because it's basically a dramatic way of pointing out their desire to enforce their Christian view on the nation.

 

[Trajan12]

If your offended, i'm obviously onto something!

Maybe Im offended because you said something offensive.

What i'm doing is stating the plain obvious - the Christian right has an authoriatarian aspect in common with facists, because they place high value in the state and their religion above the rights of the individial.

In Christianity you are taught that remaning righteous is always first on your list.

Certaianlly the Christian Right is authoritarian and nationalistic, and it's stance on abortion, gays, drugs and free speach is certainally anti-Liberal. The support for the Iraq war and glorification of the troops and the obsession with the flag can come across as quite militaristic to.

Support for the war and glorification of the troops is called patriotism. And I don't know what is wrong with not wanting someone desecrating the symbol of your nation.

When you look at it and consider this, you can understand why some would use the term 'Christian Facsists' because it's basically a dramatic way of pointing out their desire to enforce their Christian view on the nation.

Or maybe because they are ignorant of what fascism is and have no will to find out? Do you think it is just as bad that people vote to outlaw Afirmative action because of their views? They are forcing their views on the nation, obviously they are fascists.

 

[Little Raven]

Or maybe because they are ignorant of what fascism is and have no will to find out? Do you think it is just as bad that people vote to outlaw Afirmative action because of their views? They are forcing their views on the nation, obviously they are fascists.

For the record, I completely agree that a term like Christian fascists is meaningless and misleading. While there's certainly an authoritarian bent to the RR, it's hardly 'fascist' by any definition other than fascist=bad. (which unfortunately seems to be rising in popularity.)

I presume you share the same distain for the term Islamofascist?

 

[ComradeDavo]

@Trajan12

Well, if your going to ignore my points about the similarities and bang on about patriotism (which to me looks the same as nationalism..but how would I know I'm not American ) then I won't bother debating it.

 

[Cannae]

No multiculturalism at all

So are you also saying that people who don't agree should all give up thier culture that they are part of/identifiy with and just adopt the "American culture"?How would YOU like it somone told you that your culture sucked and you need to adopt there's?

Let me say one last thing on this You may be able to bring the horse to water but your not going to be able to force it to drink it.

I don't think many would disagree with me. We have seen the multicultural madness in Europe and want none of it. Here, you want to be an American, or you do NOT come here.

Well, I am one of those few. What multicultural madness are you talking about? Well... what if you where born here and din't like does that mean you sholud just not be allowed to stay here? One last thing who decides who's an proper American and who's not?

 

[Trajan12]

For the record, I completely agree that a term like Christian fascists is meaningless and misleading. While there's certainly an authoritarian bent to the RR, it's hardly 'fascist' by any definition other than fascist=bad. (which unfortunately seems to be rising in popularity.)

I presume you share the same distain for the term Islamofascist?

Do Christian Republicans want to roll gays down mountains or bury them alive? If not, then I don't see how the two are related.

 

[Trajan12]

@Trajan12

Well, if your going to ignore my points about the similarities and bang on about patriotism (which to me looks the same as nationalism..but how would I know I'm not American ) then I won't bother debating it.

There are no similarities between Republican Christians and Fascists, and while we are at it you basically called me a fascist. Im a Christian Republican/conservative. So again

What i'm doing is stating the plain obvious - the Christian right has an authoriatarian aspect in common with facists, because they place high value in the state and their religion above the rights of the individial

Like I said, all religious believe that their religion is worth high value.

Certaianlly the Christian Right is authoritarian and nationalistic, and it's stance on abortion, gays, drugs and free speach is certainally anti-Liberal. The support for the Iraq war and glorification of the troops and the obsession with the flag can come across as quite militaristic to.

They want to win the war? Thats bad? Obviously they should want to lose. Supporting the troops is evil. Not wanting the flag to be burned is also diabolical.

 

[Sidhe]

And let's not forget Katheryn's entire culture and social system, laws , faith, economy, philosophy, science is based solely on immigration. And it was meant to uphold a system where certain values were held as abhorent, persecution and prejudice being foremost, a country founded on immigrants should not take a stand against immigrants with carte blanche, lest they come across as hypocrits. If you don't want to uphold the values of your forefathers, fine, but as usual your coming across as somewhat hard line. If only the world was so black and white, but it isn't. Katheryn you have a rather one sided view of the world, it might do well, as has been suggested before, to get a grip on the whole story, and not just base your beliefs on your own environment.

 

[Little Raven]

Do Christian Republicans want to roll gays down mountains or bury them alive? If not, then I don't see how the two are related.

They're related by virtue of the fact that they both consist of vastly warped definitions of the term 'fascist.'

Radical Islamists may be scary dudes who want to execute homosexuals, but there's nothing fascist about them. Radical Christians may or may not want to execute homosexuals (depends on how recently they're read Leviticus) but there's nothing fascist about them either. Fascism is not a code word for 'bad.' It is a merging of the corporation and the state, with a hefty chunk of militarism and nationalism thrown in as a binding agent. If you're going to object to the term Christian Fascists on the basis that it is inaccurate, then I'd expect to see you come out against Islamofascist as well.

 

[Trajan12]

They're related by virtue of the fact that they both consist of vastly warped definitions of the term 'fascist.'

Radical Islamists may be scary dudes who want to execute homosexuals, but there's nothing fascist about them. Radical Christians may or may not want to execute homosexuals (depends on how recently they're read Leviticus) but there's nothing fascist about them either. Fascism is not a code word for 'bad.' It is a merging of the corporation and the state, with a hefty chunk of militarism and nationalism thrown in as a binding agent. If you're going to object to the term Christian Fascists on the basis that it is inaccurate, then I'd expect to see you come out against Islamofascist as well.

I don't care what term we use for our enemies, I just don't like being called a fascist because I happen to be two things at once. Christian and Republican.

 

[Little Raven]

I don't care what term we use for our enemies, I just don't like being called a fascist because I happen to be two things at once. Christian and Republican.

So you don't care about what you call other people, just what people call you?

A wise man once said something along the lines of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Wish I could remember his name...you might have heard of him.

 

[ComradeDavo]

There are no similarities between Republican Christians and Fascists, and while we are at it you basically called me a fascist. Im a Christian Republican/conservative. So again

Are you seriously trying to tell me the Christian Right isn't anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-free speach (Marilyn Manson anybody?), anti-drugs, anti-science (all this 'teach creationism in school' mantra) and so on and so forth?

 

[Trajan12]

So you don't care about what you call other people, just what people call you?

A wise man once said something along the lines of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Wish I could remember his name...you might have heard of him.

They are the ones who are practicing fundamentalism not me. It's not like I said we should use derogatory terms or anything, I just don't think they have the right to be offended by harmless Bush isms.

 

[GenMarshall]

Somehow this thread reaks of trolls and Christian bashing .

 

[Trajan12]

Are you seriously trying to tell me the Christian Right isn't anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-free speach (Marilyn Manson anybody?), anti-drugs, anti-science (all this 'teach creationism in school' mantra) and so on and so forth?

So we are, that doesn't make it okay to call me a fascist. Its the Democratic process, people vote on what they think is right or wrong. So now can you pay attention to the rest as Ive taken the time to explain it twice?

 

[Trajan12]

Somehow this thread reaks of trolls and Christian bashing .

Lets not forget republican bashing.

 

[Little Raven]

They are the ones who are practicing fundamentalism not me.

I have no idea what form of Christianity you practice, nor does it matter. As long as you aren't preaching fascism, I'm not going to call you a fascist. And I'll do the same for Muslims. Not because I like what they're doing any more than you do, but because it's just plain inaccurate to call them fascists.

It's not like I said we should use derogatory terms or anything, I just don't think they have the right to be offended by harmless Bush isms.

But you have the right to be offended by a harmless statement from a Republican County Chair somewhere?

There's a double standard here that I'm just not grasping. Help me out.

 

[ComradeDavo]

So we are, that doesn't make it okay to call me a fascist. Its the Democratic process, people vote on what they think is right or wrong. So now can you pay attention to the rest as Ive taken the time to explain it twice?

There you go. Youa dmit 'you' are. That means that 'you' have thigns in common with facsists - i.e. suppression of individual rights, putting the state above the individual and so forth. Pretty simple, huh?