City State Elimination Thread

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Buenos Aires = 27 (30-3) I really like this one, but it should not be higher than Zanzibar - it can't give you more amenities than Zanzibar. You only get one amenity per bonus resource (some people seem under the misimpression it gives four like map-based luxuries)

Thanks for pointing this out, I had not realized it (I blame Civ VI's poor documentation of game mechanics).

Amsterdam = 8
Antananarivo = 3
Auckland = 27 (26 + 1) Another upvote for massive production bonuses in a production dominated game.
Buenos Aires = 24 (27 - 3) Still a very solid bonus at one amenity per bonus resource (even situationaly better than Zanzibar whenyour amenity needs are concentrated in a small number of cities), but not strong enough to justify the upvotes I gave it earlier.
Brussels = 19
Carthage =21
Geneva = 18
Hattusa = 20
Kabul = 14
Kumasi =21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 23
Stockholm = 27
Toronto = 13
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 23
Zanzibar = 21
 
Amsterdam = 8
Antananarivo = 3
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage =21
Geneva = 18
Hattusa = 20
Kabul = 14 + 1 = 15 If you are at war, this one makes experience gain so much nicer.
Kumasi =21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 23 - 3 = 20 Never put more than on envoy in this one.
Stockholm = 27
Toronto = 13
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 23
Zanzibar = 21
 
Amsterdam = 8
Antananarivo = 3 - 3 = ELIMINATED Bonus is lacklustre if everyone progresses through the tech and civic tree too quickly
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage =21
Geneva = 18
Hattusa = 20
Kabul = 15
Kumasi =21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 20
Stockholm = 27
Toronto = 13 + 1 = 14 Excellent for sprawling empires
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 23
Zanzibar = 21
 
Amsterdam = 8
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage =21
Geneva = 18
Hattusa = 20
Kabul = 15
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 20+1 = 21
Stockholm = 27
Toronto = 14-3 = 11
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 23
Zanzibar = 21

I was going to subtract one point from Kumasi for adding just +2 culture for each trade route to city states, which wouldn't even compensate the lack of districts in the CSs for the trade route bonuses. However, reading the bonus more carefully, this bonus turns out to be +2 culture for each district IN THE ORIGIN CITY, which means that for example a city with 4 districts gets a whopping +8 culture for one trade route. Now this is nothing to laugh at.

Instead voted against Toronto, because after the AoE nerf, it really adds little value. It is almost never difficult to get the extra amenity and production from Zoos and Factories to all your relevant cities with a little of district planning and tile counting. After the nerf, a better bonus would be, for example, doubled effects of the AoE buildings (+1 amenity -> +2 amenities, +3 production -> +6 production), after which this CS could MAYBE have some use.

I have found Mohenjo Daro useful many times even when not playing cultural game, because the means of getting more housing can sometimes be very limited.

I simply voted based on the Suzerain bonuses, because otherwise it would only make sense to vote Trade city states due to having Commercial Hubs in every city in every game every time.
 
Amsterdam = 8
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage =21
Geneva = 18
Hattusa = 20
Kabul = 15
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 21
Stockholm = 27-3 = 24 I don't get how Stockholm got so many points; I don't care much about GPP because earning GP is virtually impossible on Deity (except maybe G prophet)
Toronto = 11
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 23+1 = 24 Super powerful for religious victory
Zanzibar = 21
 
Amsterdam = 8
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage =21-3=18 - Carthage is overrated. First, it's Militaristic CS, and Militaristic city states are the least useful. And then we have it's suzerain bonus. One trade route from every Encampment. Why should I actually build the Encampment before Campus or Commercial Hub? What's the reason to build it when I'm mostly a peaceful player? What is so good on Encampment? I don't see almost anything good on it, so that's the reason why I don't build it. And with no Encampments, Carthage's suzerain bonus is useless too.
Geneva = 18
Hattusa = 20
Kabul = 15
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 21
Stockholm = 24+1=25 - There are seven other difficulties than Deity in game. I usually play on King, and Stockholm's suzerain bonus can help a lot. And it's Scientific CS, and Scientific city states are, along with Commercial city states, the most useful in game.
Toronto = 11
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 24
Zanzibar = 21
 
Amsterdam = 8-3=5 - I don't use international trade routes, so the suzerain bonus means nothing to me.
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage = 18+1=19 - Trade routes are awesome. And encampments are solid builds in large cities. More production, more housing, plus a trade route? Very nice.
Geneva = 18
Hattusa = 20
Kabul = 15
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 21
Stockholm = 25
Toronto = 11
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 24
Zanzibar = 21

Moderator Action: Fixed Amsterdam's vote -- Jon
 
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Amsterdam = 5 I corrected their score
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage = 19
Geneva = 18
Hattusa = (20+1)=21 To make them equal to Kumasi, Mohenjo Daro and Zanzibar...I appreciate the Hittites!
Kabul = 15
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 21
Stockholm = 25
Toronto = (11-3)=8 After reading people's arguments, I'm convinced their bonus is mediocre...plus I often build Industrial Zones in nearly every city...
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 24
Zanzibar = 21
 
Amsterdam = 5
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage = 19
Geneva = 18
Hattusa = 21
Kabul = 12 (15-3) Not as good as the others left.
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 21
Stockholm = 25
Toronto = 9 (8+1) I still remember how awesome you were I will do what I can to save you.
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 24
Zanzibar = 21
 
Amsterdam = 5
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage = 20 (19 + 1) Trade routes are extremely powerful, and with the harbor/commercial hub change, this is the only way (without wonders or civ uniques) to get more than one per city.
Geneva = 18
Hattusa = 21
Kabul = 12
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 21
Stockholm = 25
Toronto = 6 (9 - 3) Overpowered with overlapping regional bounses, under powered now that they're gone.
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 24
Zanzibar = 21
 
Amsterdam = 5
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage = 20
Geneva = 18

Kabul = 12 1 = 13
Hattusa = 21
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 21 - 3 = 18 Never seen the need.
Stockholm = 25
Toronto = 6

Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 24
Zanzibar = 21
 
Amsterdam = 5
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage = 20+1=21 (a mid-game international trade route can easily net you 20+gpt so 10+ extra trade routes mean a few hundred extra gold a turn; domestic trade routes are the only way to get those 150+ turn mid-game cities growing to serviceable size in time. Trade routes are the most versatile function in this game. Encampments are also not as bad as production and housing are both in short in this game)
Geneva = 18
Kabul = 13
Hattusa = 21
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 18
Stockholm = 25
Toronto = 6-3=3 (without overlapping bonus, this is quite weak)
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 24
Zanzibar = 21
 
Amsterdam = 5
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage = 18 (21-3) a good suzerain bonus, but it can screw your game if you rely on it too much. Good thing Carthage doesn't get conquered by the AI that often as it seems. I built more encampments in earlier games, now I'm not doing it that much anymore as I'm advancing more balanced and production and housing are smaller issues (more production is always good though).
Geneva = 18
Kabul = 13
Hattusa = 21
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 18
Stockholm = 25
Toronto = 3
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 24
Zanzibar = 22 (21+1) the % bonus you can get from ecstatic citizens outshines all other bonuses. Zanzibar makes it easier to get to that.
 
Amsterdam = 5
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage = 18 + 1 = 19 (Dropped below 20)
Geneva = 18
Kabul = 13
Hattusa = 21
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 18
Stockholm = 25 - 3 = 22 (It's good but not top tier - too high right now)
Toronto - 3
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 24
Zanzibar = 22
 
Amsterdam = 5
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage = 19
Geneva = 18
Kabul = 13
Hattusa = 21
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 26
Mohenjo Daro = 18
Stockholm = 22-3 = 19 Still don't care about GPP
Toronto = 3
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 24+1 = 25 Being suze = guaranteed religious victory
Zanzibar = 22
 
Amsterdam = 5
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage = 19
Geneva = 18
Kabul = 13
Hattusa = 21
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 23 (26-3) amenities are great, but I usually don't have more than 12 commercial hubs, so it shouldn't be higher than Zanzibar
Mohenjo Daro = 18
Stockholm = 19
Toronto = 3
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 25
Zanzibar = 23 (22+1) should not be lower than Buenos Aires or Muscat
 
Amsterdam = 5+1=6 - Giving some love to Amsterdam. I often use international trade routes, so this is the city-state I really like.
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage = 19
Geneva = 18
Kabul = 13
Hattusa = 21
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 23
Mohenjo Daro = 18
Stockholm = 19
Toronto = 3-3=0 (ELIMINATED) - Weakest of remaining. Deserves to go now.
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 25
Zanzibar = 23
 
Amsterdam = 6
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage = 19
Geneva = 18
Kabul = 13
Hattusa = 21
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 23
Mohenjo Daro = 18+1 = 19 - Love the flexibility this gives me in dropping down cities wherever I want.
Stockholm = 19
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 25-3 = 22 - Yes, it's great if you are going for a RV, but that means you have to have a religion. Huge PITA at higher levels of play.
Zanzibar = 23
 
Amsterdam 6-3=3: most of my trade is domestic, unless I am going for a culture win.
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage = 19
Geneva = 18
Kabul = 13
Hattusa = 21
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 23
Mohenjo Daro =19
Stockholm = 19
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 22
Zanzibar 23+1=24: unique amenities FTW
 
Amsterdam 3
Auckland = 27
Buenos Aires = 24
Brussels = 19
Carthage = (19+1)=20 Even though I haven't been their suzerain often, their bonus does seems like a nice thing to have
Geneva = 18
Kabul = (13-3)=10 I don't find their Suzerain bonus to be worth spending a lot of envoys.
Hattusa = 21
Kumasi = 21
Muscat = 23
Mohenjo Daro =19
Stockholm = 19
Valletta = 23
Yerevan = 22
Zanzibar 24
 
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