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Civ-specific ranks collection thread
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Heroes Never Die
Requesting an update for the OP.
As well, I think this is a good opportunity to deliberate
on finalized lists for the civs that have multiple contributions.
As well, I think this is a good opportunity to deliberate
on finalized lists for the civs that have multiple contributions.
How about Romulus Augustus?
Locutus_Morti
Prince
How about the consul that Caesar appointed for 13 hours?
Concerning the Moorish ranks,
I think Hisham II al-Hakam is worthy of Dan Quayle ranking. He was a puppet of Almanzor and subsequent warlords, never really ruling in his own right.
Otherwise, the list teriaky put together looks great!
I think Hisham II al-Hakam is worthy of Dan Quayle ranking. He was a puppet of Almanzor and subsequent warlords, never really ruling in his own right.
Otherwise, the list teriaky put together looks great!
pokeravi
Warlord
Put George W. Bush below Dan Quayle and we're A-ok. 
I'm not fond of receiving hatemailPut George W. Bush below Dan Quayle and we're A-ok.
Thank you. You help a lot.
I put the last category in this order mostly because of their impact, not much because of how they ruled (although they all sucked). I considered that Boabdil had a symbolic importance(he was the last muslim ruler in Iberia) high enough to put im in the last position. As for Hisham III, he was the one making Al-Andalus turn into, quoting wikipedia, a number of militarily weak but culturally advanced taifas. As for Al-Mu'izz ibn Badis, he lost Algeria, caused an economic crisis, massacred 20,000 Shiites, had Tunisia completly pillaged by bedouin tribes, then lost all of inland Tunisia(he only had a few coastal cities left) and on top of all this, his country was hit by the plague. He inherited a wealthy, prosperious state and turned it into the suckiest state in North Africa, and possibly in the entire mediterranean. So I think Hisham II is at his place.
Here is incomplete list for Persia.
It was really hard to find mediocre leaders. Only mediocre is number 11 - Ulugh Beg who was great in science and has name in history of science but sucked for ruler.
And please COMMENT this list. Persia has 2600 year of history which unlike almost all other empire never actually collapsed so there are a many many many leaders in Persia empire / civilization.
1 Cyrus the Great
2 Timur
3 Khosrau I
4 Shapur II the Great
5 Ahmad Shah Durrani
6 Nader Shah
7 Karim Khan
8 Bahram V
9 Shah Abbas
10 Shapur I
X X X
11 Ulugh Beg
X X X
12 Abol Fath Khan
13 Phraates IV of Parthia
14 Darius III
It was really hard to find mediocre leaders. Only mediocre is number 11 - Ulugh Beg who was great in science and has name in history of science but sucked for ruler.
And please COMMENT this list. Persia has 2600 year of history which unlike almost all other empire never actually collapsed so there are a many many many leaders in Persia empire / civilization.
1 Cyrus the Great
2 Timur
3 Khosrau I
4 Shapur II the Great
5 Ahmad Shah Durrani
6 Nader Shah
7 Karim Khan
8 Bahram V
9 Shah Abbas
10 Shapur I
X X X
11 Ulugh Beg
X X X
12 Abol Fath Khan
13 Phraates IV of Parthia
14 Darius III
2phunkey4u
West-Eastern Divan
Maybe you can add Shah Muhammad II of Khwarezm in the mid-to-bottom. He provoked the Mongols into invading Central Asia.
ales_
Heir
Iran should have one list with Persia.
Persian leaderboard names
1 Cyrus the Great
2 Timur
3 Khosrau I
4 Shapur II the Great
5 Ahmad Shah Durrani
6 Nader Shah
7 Karim Khan
8 Bahram V
9 Shah Abbas
10 Shapur I
X X X
11 Ulugh Beg
12 Muhammad II of Khwarezm
X X X
13 Abol Fath Khan
14 Phraates IV of Parthia
15 Darius III
Thanks 2phunkey4u.
I added Shah Muhammad II of Khwarezm. He was in my mind - but I forgot when I wrote list.
I thought very much about Timur before I decided to put he´s name to list. Those who do not know background of Timur here is short quote about him from Wikipedia.
When I made this list I ran for problem how to define what Persia Empire is and how much Persia as civilization should influence list. It is kind of same problem how define who was Greek in ancient times – because all their colonies.
Anyway I took rulers which are according in these Wikipedia pages rulers of Persia / Iran: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran
(links from right side of page)
With one exception: Ahmad Shah Durrani, because of him in Indian Sub continental is having major influence from Persian culture and his empire could be counted in that time as East Persia.
(Persia was divided to many empires after death of Nader Shah in which army Ahmad Shah Durrani served until Nader Shah was murdered. BTW Nader Shah was big fan of Timur and saw that he was conquering back Timur’s empire.)
Timur is counted by many scholars as Persia leader because he was founder of The Timurid dynasty. But because he was big fan of Genghis Khan, he could be counted too as Mongol leader:
So this is matter of choice. And speaking about - Mongol list could be very hard to do. Mongol, China, Korea, Persia, Mughals plus many other civilizations which are not in game all of them have great leaders who are decent of Genghis Khan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_from_Genghis_Khan
We have too to remember that many great conquers in history didn't conquer for their country or kingdom or empire or even for their family. They did for themselves and for their own name them conquest. In my list at least half of the leaders thought that way. If they saw this list they would probably comment: “You can call it Persian Empire or whatever as long as you remember it is MY Empire. Got that or shall I cut your head off?”
And about Iran list. I do not think too that is necessary to do. There are not clear one historical point when Persia came to Iran. Actually modern day Iran was called Persia till 1935. Word Iran is has been used more than three thousand five hundred years and Persia from days of the Cyrus the Great and many times both words have been used same time for name to empire.
1 Cyrus the Great
2 Timur
3 Khosrau I
4 Shapur II the Great
5 Ahmad Shah Durrani
6 Nader Shah
7 Karim Khan
8 Bahram V
9 Shah Abbas
10 Shapur I
X X X
11 Ulugh Beg
12 Muhammad II of Khwarezm
X X X
13 Abol Fath Khan
14 Phraates IV of Parthia
15 Darius III
Thanks 2phunkey4u.
I added Shah Muhammad II of Khwarezm. He was in my mind - but I forgot when I wrote list.
I thought very much about Timur before I decided to put he´s name to list. Those who do not know background of Timur here is short quote about him from Wikipedia.
Spoiler :
When I made this list I ran for problem how to define what Persia Empire is and how much Persia as civilization should influence list. It is kind of same problem how define who was Greek in ancient times – because all their colonies.
Anyway I took rulers which are according in these Wikipedia pages rulers of Persia / Iran: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran
(links from right side of page)
With one exception: Ahmad Shah Durrani, because of him in Indian Sub continental is having major influence from Persian culture and his empire could be counted in that time as East Persia.
(Persia was divided to many empires after death of Nader Shah in which army Ahmad Shah Durrani served until Nader Shah was murdered. BTW Nader Shah was big fan of Timur and saw that he was conquering back Timur’s empire.)
Timur is counted by many scholars as Persia leader because he was founder of The Timurid dynasty. But because he was big fan of Genghis Khan, he could be counted too as Mongol leader:
Spoiler :
So this is matter of choice. And speaking about - Mongol list could be very hard to do. Mongol, China, Korea, Persia, Mughals plus many other civilizations which are not in game all of them have great leaders who are decent of Genghis Khan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_from_Genghis_Khan
We have too to remember that many great conquers in history didn't conquer for their country or kingdom or empire or even for their family. They did for themselves and for their own name them conquest. In my list at least half of the leaders thought that way. If they saw this list they would probably comment: “You can call it Persian Empire or whatever as long as you remember it is MY Empire. Got that or shall I cut your head off?”
And about Iran list. I do not think too that is necessary to do. There are not clear one historical point when Persia came to Iran. Actually modern day Iran was called Persia till 1935. Word Iran is has been used more than three thousand five hundred years and Persia from days of the Cyrus the Great and many times both words have been used same time for name to empire.
clark k
Chieftain
ive always wondered what dan quayle did to be considered such a bad leader. especially since he was only a V.P. Although I was only 4 years old when he left office so what do i know about it
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clark k
Chieftain
some of those quotes had me rolling on the floor. Though a comparable list of gaffs could be compiled for Bush Jr.
To tie two above post to OP. How about if everyone is trying to think and suggest civ lists the last names. To get leader or wannabe leader name which have good joke is actually quite hard and it is very different kind of job than get other names.
Here is my suggestion - it could be used either with Persia or Arab list: Iznogoud
Iznogoud is comic book character made by same French guy who made Asterix comics and in Finland they are quite famous - but I do not know how popular they are else where.
Here is wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iznogoud
Here is my suggestion - it could be used either with Persia or Arab list: Iznogoud
Iznogoud is comic book character made by same French guy who made Asterix comics and in Finland they are quite famous - but I do not know how popular they are else where.
Here is wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iznogoud
ius_iurandi
Chieftain
We really can't have Ahmadinejad as 16 on the Persian list? I guess not... hatemail...
But on the Greek list, 16 should probably Damocles, because that's a great joke for classics/history nerds. Or Midas. Heck, I'd suggest Oedipus, though that might be a little racy.
Also, love that Heraclius is above Justinian on the Byzantine list.
Nadir Shah and Durrani are great calls on a Persian/Iranian list. I don't know if I would give them Timur, but I suppose the Mongols probably have enough without him. He's more Turkic than anything, but if we're going to give Persia the Khwarezms and Seljuks, he's probably better described as 'Persian' than anything else.
Anyway, how about Prussia?
1.) Bismarck, (Otto von "The Iron Chancellor" Bismarck optional)
2.) Friedrich II (The Great)
3.) Friedrich Wilhelm, The Great Elector
4.) Friedrich Wilhelm I
5.) Helmut Kohl (Chancellor during reunification, 5 terms. I don't know Germans view him favorably now, but I think history will.)
6.) Friedrich I
7.) Gustav Stresemann (maybe too high, but there would have been even Friedrichs and Wilhelms up here, otherwise)
8.) Angela Merkel (First woman!)
9.) Wilhelm I (Could really go anywhere. It was Bismarck's show.)
10.) Erich Honecker (Pick of the East Germans?)
11.) Willi Stoph (My last pick, really stretching my German history, here)
12.) Constantin Fehrenbach (I don't know much of him, but Weimar Chancellor during cirsis early years)
13.) Wilhelm II
14.) Frederick III
15.) Paul von Hindenburg
16.) Franz von Papen/Hilter (Hitler could arguably be rated higher, if we're going to be sociopaths about this.)
But on the Greek list, 16 should probably Damocles, because that's a great joke for classics/history nerds. Or Midas. Heck, I'd suggest Oedipus, though that might be a little racy.
Also, love that Heraclius is above Justinian on the Byzantine list.
Nadir Shah and Durrani are great calls on a Persian/Iranian list. I don't know if I would give them Timur, but I suppose the Mongols probably have enough without him. He's more Turkic than anything, but if we're going to give Persia the Khwarezms and Seljuks, he's probably better described as 'Persian' than anything else.
Anyway, how about Prussia?
1.) Bismarck, (Otto von "The Iron Chancellor" Bismarck optional)
2.) Friedrich II (The Great)
3.) Friedrich Wilhelm, The Great Elector
4.) Friedrich Wilhelm I
5.) Helmut Kohl (Chancellor during reunification, 5 terms. I don't know Germans view him favorably now, but I think history will.)
6.) Friedrich I
7.) Gustav Stresemann (maybe too high, but there would have been even Friedrichs and Wilhelms up here, otherwise)
8.) Angela Merkel (First woman!)
9.) Wilhelm I (Could really go anywhere. It was Bismarck's show.)
10.) Erich Honecker (Pick of the East Germans?)
11.) Willi Stoph (My last pick, really stretching my German history, here)
12.) Constantin Fehrenbach (I don't know much of him, but Weimar Chancellor during cirsis early years)
13.) Wilhelm II
14.) Frederick III
15.) Paul von Hindenburg
16.) Franz von Papen/Hilter (Hitler could arguably be rated higher, if we're going to be sociopaths about this.)
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