nzcamel
Nahtanoj the Magnificent
Scotland has a higher population.
Not if you add in Northern Ireland. Which yes...is part of the UK; but culturally is still very Irish.
Scotland has a higher population.
also i’m fairly certain more of the irish diaspora still identifies more irishNot if you add in Northern Ireland. Which yes...is part of the UK; but culturally is still very Irish.
also i’m fairly certain more of the irish diaspora still identifies more irish
and that there’s probably a larger irish diaspora
To complicate things further, there are some who are both Irish and Scottish by blood but born and living in North America a few generations since their first Irish and Scottish ancestors settled.
As Irish as I am, I'd rather they didn't appear myself. There are other better contenders that are yet to appear.
They'd be more fun to me than the Byzantines, who to me, feel geographically superfluous and would be yet another Hellenic civ in the already overpopulated Balkans, or Portugal, who would be fun, but feel like historically, they play into the same niche as Spain, even if they could theoretically play differently in Civ.
To complicate things further, there are some who are both Irish and Scottish by blood but born and living in North America a few generations since their first Irish and Scottish ancestors settled.
I'm both.Quick google says in America 34 million claim Irish heritage but only 25 million claim Scottish heritage.
One would think that the former Scottish colonies in Canada might balanace this out, but there are 4.5 million Irish-Canadians, and only 4.7 million Scottish-Canadians.
So I would say you are in fact correct that there was a larger Irish diaspora. Yet another reason why Scotland may not have been the better pick under any standard. Just because I'm trying to explain Scotland (and I think I've generally hit on what the devs were thinking at the time) doesn't mean I think they were necessarily right in their thinking. It's easily the most problematic civ on the roster for me.
I definitely wouldn't expect a Portugese inquisition, in game at least.They'd be more fun to me than the Byzantines, who to me, feel geographically superfluous and would be yet another Hellenic civ in the already overpopulated Balkans, or Portugal, who would be fun, but feel like historically, they play into the same niche as Spain, even if they could theoretically play differently in Civ.
But talk about overpopulated, what about Western Europe?
Not that i don’t think we need berbers (imo, we do), but tbf, we also have Phoenicia in North AfricaBerbers (Desert Nomads). North Africa is poorly represented at the moment with only Egypt and Nubia huddled together in the far top-right. Morocco with its significant modern influence is the easy choice. Alternatively, Firaxis can go wild and go with Numidia represented by the Masaesyli
Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine) led by an alternate leader to Trajan. Rome can have the expansionist focus with the roads/Legion/Monuments. The Eastern Roman Empire could instead focus on wealth and/or faith
Not that i don’t think we need berbers (imo, we do), but tbf, we also have Phoenicia in North Africa
I think it’s well established why, if we get byzantium, it should be a separate civ (namely for its helenization, orthodox religion and notably unique culture)
tbf phoenicia might be more historically centralized in the levant, but it’s dido and an ability designed around moving to carthageWell sure and I'd be the first one to make that connection in certain contexts but this is like saying we have Rome already represented in North Africa ... Phoenicia's home turf is the Levant just like Rome's home turf is Italy.
I've actually brought up making Hannibal an alternate leader for Phoenicia with a focus on the Carthaginian empire (maybe give them an agricultural twist with maybe an additional unique unit) but that's unlikely to happen.
Oh I'd love it either way.
You could be right but I don't think they would not include anything from East Asia after leaving them out in GS.Current predictions:
DLC3: Babylon and Palmyra, middle eastern map
DLC4: Byzantium
DLC5: trade-oriented pack with new district and game mode that reflects that, plus Portugal and Dutch alt
DLC6: Native american civ and map of North America
I think it starts to look like the DLC have loose themes so I really think that a commerce-DLC with Portugal is more likely than a DLC#5 with Vietnam, like what would the district of that pack be.