[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Kupe Navigator]

They've been the most fan requested newcomer from what I've seen.

Imagine water puppet theatre as unique building... It's going to look so awesome!

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

They've been the most fan requested newcomer from what I've seen.

I think Italy is pretty high on that list too.

 

[TeddyMain]

Looking at how the past expansions went, I noticed that the Frontier Pass has the same amount of civs and alt leaders as the past expansion packs (8 civs, 1 alt). That said, I'm expecting half returning civs and half new civs (as per the formula of past expansions), so here's my predictions (New civs are green, Returning civs are blue):

1. Maya and Gran Colombia
2. Ethiopia
3. Italy and Portugal
4. Babylon
5. Either Burma or Vietnam + Alt leader for Mongolia/Korea (although it could be for a vanilla civ that just uses R&F mechanics)
   
6. Navajo

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Imagine water puppet theatre as unique building... It's going to look so awesome!

Now that we know that Ethiopia can have some attributes if playing with GS, like with their unique improvement being able to be built on volcanic soil and a unique courser replacement, I imagine that a water puppet theater could be a unique improvement that is able to be built on floodplains, even if the river is floods in GS and not be affected by it.
The original water puppet theaters date back to when the rice fields flooded and when the villagers couldn't farm they preformed their own puppet shows for the rest of the village, so I hope that would be incorporated somehow.

I think Italy is pretty high on that list too.

They are definitely my most wanted but I've seen Vietnam mentioned more considering a lot of people are tired of European civs and we already have Rome.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

I think Italy is pretty high on that list too.

more non-Erupeans! less Eruopes!
If it is non-Western then better!

 

[zhugejingqi]

I suggest that you take a look at what city states and civilizations have appeared in the scenario model. That might help your guess.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Looking at how the past expansions went, I noticed that the Frontier Pass has the same amount of civs and alt leaders as the past expansion packs (8 civs, 1 alt). That said, I'm expecting half returning civs and half new civs (as per the formula of past expansions), so here's my predictions (New civs are green, Returning civs are blue):

1. Maya and Gran Colombia
2. Ethiopia
3. Italy and Portugal
4. Babylon
5. Either Burma or Vietnam + Alt leader for Mongolia/Korea (although it could be for a vanilla civ that just uses R&F mechanics)
   
6. Navajo

honestly i’m hoping italy doesn’t show up. Idk how that city list will even function. The capital isn’t my worry, they can pick a time frame when the capital was cagliari, florence or turin, but i just don’t see that city list being good. I also don’t think we *need* them the way we *need* a celtic civ like ireland or gaul, or the way we *need* another mesopotamian/bronze age civ like babylon or assyria or we need another south east asian civ like burma, lan xang or vietnam

 

[zhugejingqi]

To put it mildly, what kind of civilization comes out depends entirely on the sales volume.

 

[CivLuvah]

more non-Erupeans! less Eruopes!
If it is non-Western then better!

In defense of Italy:
We haven't seen an Italian civ in the series before. Yes, there was Venice in Civ5, but that was one Italian city-state. I can make the case for the Italian civ by the fact that the district mechanic, the dual leaders with different capitals for one civ, and the asymmetry of designs for most civs in the game - all these unique things in Civ6 only beg for an Italian civ to be made. These things allow for unique civs to be made, and I think an Italian civ should be one of those civs. Other than that, the Italian Renaissance isn't properly portrayed in the Civ series since its inception. Venice represents just one aspect.

 

[zhugejingqi]

To be precise, Assyria and Byzantium have appeared in civilization six. Italy, on the other hand, has shown little.

 

[zhugejingqi]

However, I don't think it will increase the possibility of Italy's emergence. Venice really does not represent Italy. But more Italian cities may emerge as city states.

 

[zhugejingqi]

I personally think there will only be one in Portugal, Italy and Byzantium. Assyria is also possible.

 

[Virdrago]

I personally hope they forget Europe. I don't think they will, so at the most, I would like one of Portugal, Bulgaria, or Eastern Rome

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I suggest that you take a look at what city states and civilizations have appeared in the scenario model. That might help your guess.

This really doesn't help though. Both Burma (Pagan) and Vietnam (Thang Long) are represented by city-states in Path to Nirvana, for example, as are the Philippines (Tondo) and Malaysia (Palembang), and arguably the Timurids (Samarkand). We can't really conclude anything by either inclusion or omission, because the gang is all here.

In defense of Italy:
We haven't seen an Italian civ in the series before. Yes, there was Venice in Civ5, but that was one Italian city-state. I can make the case for the Italian civ by the fact that the district mechanic, the dual leaders with different capitals for one civ, and the asymmetry of designs for most civs in the game - all these unique things in Civ6 only beg for an Italian civ to be made. These things allow for unique civs to be made, and I think an Italian civ should be one of those civs. Other than that, the Italian Renaissance isn't properly portrayed in the Civ series since its inception. Venice represents just one aspect.

While I agree that Italy is a popular option that would sell well, and therefore the devs want to make something Italian, they just put out Catherine de Medici in a Venetian mask. That smells like defeat to me.

I personally hope they forget Europe. I don't think they will, so at the most, I would like one of Portugal, BULGARIA!, or Eastern Rome

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[Thenewwwguy]

This really doesn't help though. Both Burma (Pagan) and Vietnam (Thang Long) are represented by city-states in Path to Nirvana, for example, as are the Philippines (Tondo) and Malaysia (Palembang), and arguably the Timurids (Samarkand). We can't really conclude anything by either inclusion or omission, because the gang is all here.



While I agree that Italy is a popular option that would sell well, and therefore the devs want to make something Italian, they just put out Catherine de Medici in a Venetian mask. That smells like defeat to me.



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[Alexander's Hetaroi]

honestly i’m hoping italy doesn’t show up. Idk how that city list will even function. The capital isn’t my worry, they can pick a time frame when the capital was cagliari, florence or turin, but i just don’t see that city list being good. I also don’t think we *need* them the way we *need* a celtic civ like ireland or gaul, or the way we *need* another mesopotamian/bronze age civ like babylon or assyria or we need another south east asian civ like burma, lan xang or vietnam

I don't see the city list being the problem. I can understand that we wouldn't have Rome but that's understandable because the main influence of Rome at least in the Middle Ages in the Renaissance was the Pope which is what the Vatican City city-state is based off of. Also the Vatican City is today politically separate from Italy which still makes it possible in my opinion.
Off the top of my head with no overlaps considering a lot of Roman cities are outside of the Italian peninsula:
Florence
Venice
Naples
Turin
Genoa
Milan
Pisa
Bologna (Would need to be replaced)
Lucca
Parma
Palermo
Mantua
Lodi
Cagliari
Treviso
Assisi
Vicenza

I agree that it's not a need, but it's definitely a want from me. At the same time I don't think we need another Celtic civ, but I wouldn't be opposed to one.

However, I don't think it will increase the possibility of Italy's emergence. Venice really does not represent Italy. But more Italian cities may emerge as city states.

We haven't yet had multiple city-states that represent the same political entity yet in Civ 5 though. Unless you do count Vatican city and Bologna when they would have been both under the Papal States.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

You know, as it comes to people's wishlists Venice as a standalone Civ is also very high I would say as high as Portugal and The Byzantines.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

At the same time I don't think we need another Celtic civ, but I wouldn't be opposed to one.

the issue is we don’t really have one to begin with

while scotland is often piled into celtic countries it’s not really celtic at all and this version of it especially isn’t

 

[PhoenicianGold]

You know, as it comes to people's wishlists Venice as a standalone Civ is also very high I would say as high as Portugal and The Byzantines.

I don't put much faith in wishlists that just parrot prior ideas though. Before civ V, Venice wasn't even on anyone's radar, and had it been proposed it would have been rejected by many as too bizarre.

I would not mind a return of Venice. But given that art is iterative and I feel like VI should improve on V instead of just repeat it, I want more. Like perhaps Venice and Genoa DLC pack with a "control the Mediterranean" scenario.

As far as map-gap goes, Venice is nice because it fills out a bit of Croatia (and Serbia and Albania) that wouldn't be caught by Hungary or Bulgaria. But Genoa also snags a nice bit of Crimea. My OCD side wants both.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

the issue is we don’t really have one to begin with

while scotland is often piled into celtic countries it’s not really celtic at all and this version of it especially isn’t

I can agree that this version isn't the most Celtic that it could have been but that still doesn't necessarily mean I need or want another Celtic civ in this game with space already getting limited, but I wouldn't be mad if we did.

Currently my needs are Portugal, because it was the world's first global empire, at least another Mesopotamia Civ, another North America tribe preferably located in the U.S., and some form of Byzantines whether it be it's own civ or a Roman alt leader. I also don't feel like I'm alone in wanting these either.

As for wants that's definitely both Vietnam and Italy. I'd also bee fine with some pre-Islamic Berber civ from North Africa if but I think that is the least likely, though I'm not ruling it out as a possibility. I'd definitely want other things even before them though.
I also think Austria is a little too much to ask at this point but maybe Maria Theresa could eventually get in the game somehow?

As far as map-gap goes, Venice is nice because it fills out a bit of Croatia (and Serbia and Albania) that wouldn't be caught by Hungary or Bulgaria. But Genoa also snags a nice bit of Crimea. My OCD side wants both.

I'm not sure the map gap theory works in Europe any more.