[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

If I understand correctly, Ethiopia had a noticeable Ethiopian-Jew minority (even during the early middle ages). This includes the Kingdom of Semien (also known as the Kingdom of Beta Israel).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Semien
I read it on Wikipedia which means it's true. And yes, I'm aware that Ethiopian-Jews are common knowledge.
 
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Perfectly reasonable decision. Sarajevo and Targoviste were both important cities in the Ottoman empire, makes sense to include them under the Ottoman name.

Same with Hungary, which has cities from Romania (Koloszvar, Temeszvar) and Croatia (Zagrab) in its list. If Austria make it, in, you can expect names such as Pressburg (Bratislava) on their list as well.

Sarajevo is also a VERY important city for Austria, which @Zaarin is always pushing. :P

Joseph II? What do you gain by that? For Franz Joseph, you at least gain style points.
Wouldn't Charles V be the obvious pick for Austria (and a co-leader for Spain [and even the Netherlands where he spent most of his life] :p)?

Franz Joseph is a very interesting in an often overlooked way. Both his handling of dealing of with the rising of multiple nationalist movements threatening to tear the Habsburg Empire apart (and succeeded at the end of WW1) by creating the compromise that was the Dual Monarchy, as well as each half (the Austrian Crownlands and the Crownlands of Saint Stephen/Hungary) having it's own Parliament with notable amounts of empowerment than previously (though typical of a Belle Epogue Central, Southern, or Eastern European Monarchy - not nearly the liberal levels of suffrage or power held by elected legislative chambers in the UK (and several British Dominions), France, Italy, and the United States at that time), as well as his jumping the gun and complete overreaction to Serbia in June and July 1914 - including the "ultimatum that could not, realistically, be met," was because of his tragic family life. His wife, Empress Elizabeth, was assassinated by Anarchists. His only son, Archduke Rudolf, and his newlywed wife, committed suicide in the honeymoon cottages in the countryside. His heir after that, his nephew Franz Ferdinand, decided he had fallen in love with and insistent on marrying Lady Sophie, a member of a minor Slovak noble house - at a time when an heir to a national throne in Europe was expected to marry a "social peer," or at least reasonably close. The men wrangled about the marriage for several years, until Franz Joseph relented - but declared Franz Ferdinand's marriage - which meant their children would inherit nothing but a stipend to live on. Franz Joseph and Franz Ferdinand clashed often over managing and handling the "constitutional and compromise," of the Dual Monarchy, and how it should work, and what should be allowed to these elected legislative chambers, which became dominated by ethnocentric and regionalist advocacy parties (other than the Social Democrats who maintained a pan-ethnic and unified face, but worried the Habsburgs for other reasons), and arguments got so heated and so nasty, fisticuffs often resulted on the chamber floors. A teenage Adolf Hitler watching sessions of the Imperial Austrian Legislature from the public galleries became convinced, for life, that such violence, vitriol, and thuggery were how politics were meant to be conducted. When Gavrilo Princip fired the lethal shots at Franz Ferdinand and Sophie in Sarajevo, who, because of their morganatic marriage, were not allowed in the shielded and covered Imperial Carriage (just like they couldn't sit together in the balcony at operas or orchestral performances, or attend many formal functions, etc.), but were in a convertible automobile (which Royals just didn't otherwise ride in at that time - in fact, prior to that, Teddy Roosevelt was the only sitting head-of-state, period, who had been known to tool around in an automobile), which made them easy targets - that's when, on re-evaluation from the original studies of him right after the war, and for quite a ways thereafter, the trauma and stress of his family tragedies caused him to act precipitously to King Petar I and Prime Minister Nicola Pavic of Serbia, just because it was AN ethnic Serb who pulled the trigger.

I feel like Axum overlaps more with Nubia than other Ethiopia iterations

Despite territorial proximity to Nubia, Axum seems much more culturally related to Ethiopians. Their language appears to be, or be closely related to, the sub-branch of Semitic languages that Amharic and other major Ethiopian languages, as well as the languages (and nations) of the Pre-Islamic South Yemen like the Sabaean Kingdom (better known as Sheba), and Himyarite Kingdom, and Ethiopian scholars are pretty much in consensus of Axum being an ancient, ancestral kingdom of theirs - the Sudan (the modern home of most ethnic Nubians today) only tend to claim to Axum as an ancestral kingdom when trying to stir up an irredentist claim on northern Ethiopian lands.

I'd be fine with Selassie and I think I prefer him on principle given that he ties so much of the Ethiopian history and global legacy together. But I think Ethiopia should have uniques drawn from across its various polities, much like Germany or Russia do. I think it's one of the hardest civs to choose a specific period to represent it, so I would rather they just go the grand tour route.

"So let's get to the point, let's roll another joint,"

I'm afraid that, despite his best intentions, hopes, and desires, a lot of people today think of other things when Haile Selassie, moreso due to a religious movement that Marvin Garvey co-founded that Haile Selassie never even publicly discouraged or attempted to tone down.
 
The longer I'm thinking the more I'm convinced to Italy. But not a renaissanse one with city states and eternal dilemmas about capitals and leaders but dated back to the time of reunification.
Why would anyone want that? :sad: Post-unification Italy isn't exactly basking in accomplishments.

If I understand correctly, Ethiopia had a noticeable Ethiopian-Jew minority (even during the early middle ages).
It does, relating to the belief that Ethiopia was the home of the Queen of Sheba (most modern scholars believe it was probably Sabaea/Saba' in Yemen but Sabaea was under Ethiopia's sphere of influence).

Sarajevo is also a VERY important city for Austria, which @Zaarin is always pushing. :p
I'm just a fan of Maria Theresa. :D

Despite territorial proximity to Nubia, Axum seems much more culturally related to Ethiopians. Their language appears to be, or be closely related to, the sub-branch of Semitic languages that Amharic and other major Ethiopian languages, as well as the languages (and nations) of the Pre-Islamic South Yemen like the Sabaean Kingdom (better known as Sheba), and Himyarite Kingdom, and Ethiopian scholars are pretty much in consensus of Axum being an ancient, ancestral kingdom of theirs - the Sudan (the modern home of most ethnic Nubians today) only tend to claim to Axum as an ancestral kingdom when trying to stir up an irredentist claim on northern Ethiopian lands.
Agreed (except that modern Semitic scholarship isn't in such strong consensus about lumping South Arabian and Ethio-Semitic).

I'm afraid that, despite his best intentions, hopes, and desires, a lot of people today think of other things when Haile Selassie, moreso due to a religious movement that Marvin Garvey co-founded that Haile Selassie never even publicly discouraged or attempted to tone down.
This is fundamentally why I'm not particularly a fan of his. For a guy who claimed to be a devout Orthodox Christian, he did absolutely nothing about a group of people deciding he was God Incarnate. :sad:
 
What if we got the Timurids? Not quite Mongolian enough to be duplicative, interesting geographical location, never been in Civ before, had definite cultural legacy in addition to being interesting from a military history perspective.
Mughals may be Another possibility. Playstyle would probably be a Culture focused warmonger civilization. Leader would probably be Akbar, but I think any of the Mughal Emperors up including Aurangazeb is a possibility. Unique unit, well they used cavalry and gunpowder to great effect but I don't know, same with infrastructure.
 
Seeing that had me thinking. Marco Polo was from Venice. What are the chances that Pack 5 could be Kublai Khan +Venice (Italy) instead of Kublai Khan +Vietnam? :think:

Not neccessarily sure if I buy that this is likely...

...But when thinking of game modes, a mode which punishes wide play would probably find a lot of interested players and be a good time to bring back Venice... Not saying I think it's likely, but I wouldn't be shocked either...
 
It does, relating to the belief that Ethiopia was the home of the Queen of Sheba (most modern scholars believe it was probably Sabaea/Saba' in Yemen but Sabaea was under Ethiopia's sphere of influence).

On this subject, there is a bit of irony to be had here. The Kingdom of Saba (which was supposedly the royal precursor to the Aksumite Solomonic Dynasty or something) was overthrown by the Himyarite Kingdom, which later became rivals with the Kingdom of Aksum (Aksum came out on top).

I'm just trying to show off right now. :crazyeye:

Come to think of it, this entire website usually just feels like a bunch of history nerds like me trying to show off, but nobody can show off since everybody knows everything. :lol:
 
On this subject, there is a bit of irony to be had here. The Kingdom of Saba (which was supposedly the royal precursor to the Aksumite Solomonic Dynasty or something) was overthrown by the Himyarite Kingdom, which later became rivals with the Kingdom of Aksum (Aksum came out on top).
If it weren't for the language and leader difficulty, I'd love a South Arabian kingdom like Saba or the Himyarites to show up. As is, I'd still love to see Sana'a as a mercantile city-state.

Come to think of it, this entire website usually just feels like a bunch of history nerds like me trying to show off, but nobody can show off since everybody knows everything. :lol:
Well, for my part, I'm just excited to have intelligent conversations with other intelligent people. That's not always a privilege one has in real life. :D
 
Eleanor would like to point out that he could be both.

The other real option for alt-leaders for RNF civs is the Netherlands. One of the various Williams of Orange.

I'd assume the main impetus for a Dutch alt would be to perhaps pair then with Portugal and some sort of colonization/Trading Company mechanic.
 
Mughals may be Another possibility. Playstyle would probably be a Culture focused warmonger civilization. Leader would probably be Akbar, but I think any of the Mughal Emperors up including Aurangazeb is a possibility. Unique unit, well they used cavalry and gunpowder to great effect but I don't know, same with infrastructure.
mughals won’t happen because too many of their cities are in the india list. They’d not make much sense, as much as I wish that they’d be in the game

hopefully in Civ 7 we stop seeing ‘India’ and instead see Mughals and Chola at the least, maybe with Maurya as another option
 
Mughals may be Another possibility. Playstyle would probably be a Culture focused warmonger civilization. Leader would probably be Akbar, but I think any of the Mughal Emperors up including Aurangazeb is a possibility. Unique unit, well they used cavalry and gunpowder to great effect but I don't know, same with infrastructure.
Mughals would be fun--I vote for Nur Jahan in that case, the tiger-killing architecture-inspiring, coin-crafting ruler. Probably won't happen til Civ VII, but I also wouldn't mind Ashoka making a return as a peace-loving replacement for Gandhi. :)
 
What if we got the Timurids? Not quite Mongolian enough to be duplicative, interesting geographical location, never been in Civ before, had definite cultural legacy in addition to being interesting from a military history perspective.
If we get the beautiful Uzbek cities of the Silk Road with their magnificent blue domes with them... :love:
 
Mughals would be fun--I vote for Nur Jahan in that case, the tiger-killing architecture-inspiring, coin-crafting ruler. Probably won't happen til Civ VII, but I also wouldn't mind Ashoka making a return as a peace-loving replacement for Gandhi. :)


I’d hope that we wouldn’t be given both Maurya and Mughals with no Chola :/
 
My only wish is that they would do SOMETHING with AI. Improving AI will increase entire game's potential.
Agreed, that would make the entirety of the game better, but as that's a big project and Firaxis traditionally doesn't focus on AI improvements, I doubt we will see it. In Civ IV's case, IIRC, many of the AI improvements in the Beyond the Sword expansion originated with a modder.
 
The AI has been improving with every patch since release. It's good enough for most players. You all are just too good.

I'm sure that the next 12 patches will all include AI improvements and that all 12 patches will be deemed inadequate by the community here. That's how it's been for every Civ game, except the one time they "borrowed" some AI fixes from community patches.
 
The AI has gotten better. It is still not that challenging once you have a hundred or hours or so in-game. But it has improved.

One of the good things about this whole New Frontier pass is that we can look forward to another year's worth of work towards the AI that is slowly getting better every patch.

Though it's also time to start looking at ways we can make the AI better without having access to the DLL code. With some smart scripts to encourage AI snowballing and perhaps conservatively spawn units here and there the challenge the game offers can be improved without the DLL.

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Improving the AI becomes nigh-on impossible if your game is incredibly complex...
 
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