[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[AntSou]

The AI has been improving with every patch since release. It's good enough for most players. You all are just too good.

It's really not, especially in regards to combat and district prioritisation. There's quite a bit that can be done to improve it still, and I'm hoping they will.

 

[Casworon]

Improving the AI becomes nigh-on impossible if your game is incredibly complex...

Strongly disagree. Community patches for Civ IV, Civ V and Endless Legend have brought significant AI improvements. You can download and play them

 

[Patine]

mughals won’t happen because too many of their cities are in the india list. They’d not make much sense, as much as I wish that they’d be in the game

hopefully in Civ 7 we stop seeing ‘India’ and instead see Mughals and Chola at the least, maybe with Maurya as another option

And the Sikh Confederacy, as well, hopefully.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

And the Sikh Confederacy, as well, hopefully.

Inb4 the group of fans who complain when there are more than 5 non-European civs whine about there being ‘too much India’

 

[ehecatzin]

mughals won’t happen because too many of their cities are in the india list. They’d not make much sense, as much as I wish that they’d be in the game

hopefully in Civ 7 we stop seeing ‘India’ and instead see Mughals and Chola at the least, maybe with Maurya as another option

I wish that for civVII they'd keep Gandhi as I don't know, an especial edition bonus for people that must absolutely have their nuke jokes. and break India into the many civs it should have ingame.

 

[Kimiimaro]

When it comes to Ethiopia, I'm an advocate of Menelik II, the moderniser of Ethiopia, victor of Adwa and builder of Addis Ababa myself.

as well as his jumping the gun and complete overreaction to Serbia in June and July 1914 - including the "ultimatum that could not, realistically, be met," was because of his tragic family life.

To his defence, if I remember well, there were documents found that Wilhelm II pressured him to push against Serbia, since at the time very militaristic Germany wished a conflict in Europe. I think that was one of the reasons why Germany was branded the main country behind the WWI.

Lady Sophie, a member of a minor Slovak noble house - at a time when an heir to a national throne in Europe was expected to marry a "social peer," or at least reasonably close.

A slight correction - the house of Chotek she was from was a small, but ancient Czech noble house, not Slovak. Sorry, can't resist to note this as a Czech

When Gavrilo Princip fired the lethal shots at Franz Ferdinand and Sophie in Sarajevo, who, because of their morganatic marriage, were not allowed in the shielded and covered Imperial Carriage (just like they couldn't sit together in the balcony at operas or orchestral performances, or attend many formal functions, etc.), but were in a convertible automobile (which Royals just didn't otherwise ride in at that time - in fact, prior to that, Teddy Roosevelt was the only sitting head-of-state, period, who had been known to tool around in an automobile), which made them easy targets - that's when, on re-evaluation from the original studies of him right after the war, and for quite a ways thereafter, the trauma and stress of his family tragedies caused him to act precipitously to King Petar I and Prime Minister Nicola Pavic of Serbia, just because it was AN ethnic Serb who pulled the trigger.

Fun fact (though, depends how much can you consider an assassion a fun fact): the assassination could be enabled because of his driver making a wrong turn. Earlier that day in Sarajevo, the terrorist group threw a grenade under Franz Ferdinand d'Este's car, but it didn't explode at the right time and instead destroyed another car in the Archduke's escort. Later that day, he decided to visit the injured drivers of the grenade attack, but his driver made a wrong turn, shortly appearing in front of a deli, where Gavrilo Princip coincidentally stood. When he noticed that the Archduke's car stood in front of him, he pulled out a gun he still kept, and the rest we already know.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I wish that for civVII they'd keep Gandhi as I don't know, an especial edition bonus for people that must absolutely have their nuke jokes. and break India into the many civs it should have ingame.

I understand Gandhi’s importance to the franchise but he wasn’t even an actual ruler of the nation and since he was selected there’s been a lot of controversy over his non-political actions.

Even if they wanted a united India, why not Nehru?

 

[Patine]

Inb4 the group of fans who complain when there are more than 5 non-European civs whine about there being ‘too much India’

But "India," as a nation, was a political construct of the Indian Independence Movement during the British Raj (even the All-India Muslim League was on board with it for a while until breaking up the country came onto the table- but that was very near to actual independence being declared). Greco-Hellenic peoples ALWAYS had a shared ethnic view amongst each other, even despite sharp political differences. In fact, the word "barbarian," is a derivative of the Ancient Greek word, "barbar," meaning any person or culture anywhere in the world who is not culturally Greek or Hellenized. Peoples of India for the vast majority of it's history had no such unifying concept of themselves.

 

[Patine]

I wish that for civVII they'd keep Gandhi as I don't know, an especial edition bonus for people that must absolutely have their nuke jokes. and break India into the many civs it should have ingame.

But the Smiling Buddha Nuclear Test was under another Indian leader whose last name happened to be Gandhi (though not blood related to the Mahatma). And she was a woman...

 

[Thenewwwguy]

But "India," as a nation, was a political construct of the Indian Independence Movement during the British Raj (even the All-India Muslim League was on board with it for a while until breaking up the country came onto the table- but that was very near to actual independence being declared). Greco-Hellenic peoples ALWAYS had a shared ethnic view amongst each other, even despite sharp political differences. In fact, the word "barbarian," is a derivative of the Ancient Greek word, "barbar," meaning any person or culture anywhere in the world who is not culturally Greek or Hellenized. Peoples of India for the vast majority of it's history had no such unifying concept of themselves.

oh of course, i’m just saying that there will be a ton of people who will dislike it if we get more than two or three subcontinental nations because they’d be perceived as not different enough

 

[Lord Lakely]

But the Smiling Buddha Nuclear Test was under another Indian leader whose last name happened to be Gandhi (though not blood related to the Mahatma). And she was a woman...

honestly, the Nuclear Gandhi meme could perfectly live in with Indira Gandhi and I wouldn't be half sad about it.

 

[Kimiimaro]

But "India," as a nation, was a political construct of the Indian Independence Movement during the British Raj (even the All-India Muslim League was on board with it for a while until breaking up the country came onto the table- but that was very near to actual independence being declared). Greco-Hellenic peoples ALWAYS had a shared ethnic view amongst each other, even despite sharp political differences. In fact, the word "barbarian," is a derivative of the Ancient Greek word, "barbar," meaning any person or culture anywhere in the world who is not culturally Greek or Hellenized. Peoples of India for the vast majority of it's history had no such unifying concept of themselves.

It's actually interesting how in the very long history of India, the subcontinent was only fully unified by the British, and nearly unified twice, once by the Mughals and once by the Mauryas. The next closest contender would be Delhi Sultanate, if I'm not wrong.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

It's actually interesting how in the very long history of India, the subcontinent was only fully unified by the British, and nearly unified twice, once by the Mughals and once by the Mauryas. The next closest contender would be Delhi Sultanate, if I'm not wrong.

No one conquers the tamil kings

honestly, the Nuclear Gandhi meme could perfectly live in with Indira Gandhi and I wouldn't be half sad about it.

putting Indira Gandhi in would be like making Margaret Thatcher as the leader of England. I don’t know if I’d be happy with it

 

[Patine]

It's actually interesting how in the very long history of India, the subcontinent was only fully unified by the British, and nearly unified twice, once by the Mughals and once by the Mauryas. The next closest contender would be Delhi Sultanate, if I'm not wrong.

The Guptas came very close as well.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Unique Shrine plz. We already have two replacements for the Temple.

Unique Worship building for a Civ would also be interesting.

Not neccessarily sure if I buy that this is likely...

It's a stretch, but an interesting one. I still think Vietnam would have the better chance of appearing alongside him.

 

[Guynemer]

If it weren't for the language and leader difficulty, I'd love a South Arabian kingdom like Saba or the Himyarites to show up. As is, I'd still love to see Sana'a as a mercantile city-state.

It is an agarian city-state in the very excellent City-States Expanded mod.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1331757859

 

[Patine]

@Thenewwwguy Out of curiosity, on your wish list, you have Hawai'i and just "Kamehameha," with no regnal number. Considering how very different as rulers the six kings with that name were, and how very different the different the situation of Hawai'i was between their reigns, which one did you mean, exactly? It's quite an important question there. It's like just saying "Louis of France," or "Edward of England," with no regnal number I'm afraid.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

@Thenewwwguy Out of curiosity, on your wish list, you have Hawai'i and just "Kamehameha," with no regnal number. Considering how very different as rulers the six kings with that name were, and how very different the different the situation of Hawai'i was between their reigns, which one did you mean, exactly? It's quite an important question there. It's like just saying "Louis of France," or "Edward of England," with no regnal number I'm afraid.

The First one—the one which united the islands and is referred to as the great?

If it was one of the others, I would’ve denoted as such

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

Sarajevo is also a VERY important city for Austria, which @Zaarin is always pushing.

Sarajevo and Bosna during Austro-Hungary was technically part of Austria (same as Croatian Dalmatia, Istria, Herzegovina, and Slovenia), officially for 3... years. Occupied from 1878 to 1908. So wouldn't say it's an Austrian city part of the city is a classical example of an Austro-Hungarian town similar to Zagreb, and the rest is typical Turkish. Besides Muslim Bosnians, there is a large population of Orthodox Serbs and Catholic Croats. Actually It is hard to Imagine more Balkan city than Sarajevo.
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[Solver]

In Civ IV's case, IIRC, many of the AI improvements in the Beyond the Sword expansion originated with a modder.

That's mostly the amazing Blake Walsh. I'm very proud to have been involved in BtS and the AI as well, but it's Blake's outstanding work that really changed the Civ4 AI. Easily one of the most impressive fan contributions.