[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Zaarin]

- Anishinaabe: Pontiac (need more indigenous North Americans imo, Anishinaabe would be novel)

Virtually all the other Odawa chiefs and the other chiefs involved in Pontiac's Rebellion agreed that Pontiac was a reckless glory-hound. I think he'd be a poor choice.

Possible, but I think that one would limit the chances of the other, both being more Militaristic ME civs.

There's plenty of room for a cultural/builder Assyria.

Personally I think the Hittites have more chance, as we already have Babylon and Sumer for Mesopotamia.

And we already have Byzantium and the Ottomans in northwestern Anatolia so from a TSL perspective (which I don't think is very relevant) it works out about the same.

 

[sonicmyst]

My remaining wishlist would be:

Siam
Philippines
Hittites
Iroquois
Inuit
Argentina
Austria or Italy
Morocco
+ alt leader for Egypt or Persia

 

[TeddyMain]

I'd say my remaining wishlist is the following:

Hawaii
Burma/Siam
Navajo
Haida/Tlingit
Swahili
Morocco
Italy/Finland
Timurids
Alt Leader for either Egypt or Persia

 

[j51]

Did they announce another season pass is likely, or are y'all just nerdin' out?

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Did they announce another season pass is likely, or are y'all just nerdin' out?

Somewhat nerding out: These are just lists of what we would want from a hypothetical second pass.

 

[BD123]

I joined civfanatics in 2013 but never posted a wishlist until now...

Iroquois or maybe the Comanche
Haida
Hawaii
The Hittites (honestly surprised they've only appeared once, they seem like a pretty big one to leave out)
Assyria
Mutapa / Medieval Zimbabwe / something from South African that's not like colonial South Africa
Morocco
Swahili blob since Zanzibar, Mombasa, etc won't ever appear as their own like Venice
The Moche or Sican even though they don't have a leader I can think of
Safavid or Qajar Persia or alt leaders for Persia literally anything besides keeping Persia as only ever Achaemenid

 

[j51]

Somewhat nerding out: These are just lists of what we would want from a hypothetical second pass.

Well, in that case:

Assyria - no leader preference, but I want that Seige Engine back!
Hittites - Puduhepa
Chola - Rajaraja
Benin - Idia and a Bronze Works that can create Benin Bronzes great works.
Sicily - Roger II
Haida - I don't know enough to suggest a leader.

That's enough for new civs IMHO. It's getting bloaty. I'd rather see more extra leaders for older civs:

Egypt: Djoser with Imhotep as a unique governor.
Russia: Olga. Make the Lavra uniquely hers and give Russia either the Kremlin, a unique City Center building (if that's possible), or an Ostrog UI.
Persia: Abbas. It's time for a Safavid.
Germany and Hungary: Maria Theresa. Diplomatic Marriage would work really well as a contrast to both Holy Roman Emperor and Raven King. (Edit: Also put her sons in the background looking all impatient. )

 

[Villager720]

My hopes remain mostly the same since the last few announcements (I'm all about filling in the map):
Haudenosaunee
Assyria or Hittites
Burma
Nepal or Tibet or Bhutan (Lets get some Himalayan love in this game!)
Morocco
Navajo (I want two {or more!} civs from North America)
Caribs or Taino
Swahili or Madagascar
Wildcards:
Tupi, Minoans, Ireland, Timurids, Romania

 

[8housesofelixir]

And tbh it's good but not "I'm going to sacrifice two cities good"...I just can't get past it being so absurdly expensive when I could just build more cities...

The point is to make Tall Play viable, since you don't have the need to build any more settlers in a Tall game; the unique neighborhood can also offer +1 district slot to supercharge the few cities you have.

Again, if you are an advocate of "the more cities the better" then these points are not viable.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Dunno about Civs yet, but I certainly would welcome a pre-Ptolemaic alternate Pharaoh for Egypt. A ton of material to work with - Thutmose III, Akhenaten, Hatshepsut, Ramesses II, Ahmose I, Mentuhotep II...

Though, to be honest, I would prefer an alternate leader for Persia. A post-Achaemenid one. Like Egypt, a ton of material is available - there are many interesting leaders among Sassanids, Safavids, Afsharids and other dynaties - we speak of Shapur I, Shapur II, Khosrow I, Khosrow II, Abbas the Great, Nader Shah... I actually think a post-Achaemenid Persian alternate leader would be preferable to an Egyptian alternate leader - we've had pre-Ptolemaic Egyptian rulers in Civ, but we've never had a post-Achaemenid Persian leader.

 

[SMcM]

Finland

For me, the problem I've found when trying to find leaders for Finland, is that I find less contemporary leaders preferable on the whole. Finland struggles there. We could have a mythological character like Väinämöinen, interesting for sure, but probably not what this community wants. I'm not aware of any historical Finnish leaders from before the conquest by Sweden. During Swedish rule there is Jaakko Ilkka, but he was just a rebel who never ruled anything. Mannerheim is really the only option I can see them going for. For one thing he is probably the only leader of the country of much interest to anyone outside Finland.

 

[Abaxial]

That's enough for new civs IMHO. It's getting bloaty.

Isn't it just!

I really don't get the argument that every corner of the globe has to be equally represented. "Oh, we don't have enough from Papua New Guinea, we should have the Gogodala!" Yet another tribe that most people have never heard of.

 

[SMcM]

Isn't it just!

I really don't get the argument that every corner of the globe has to be equally represented. "Oh, we don't have enough from Papua New Guinea, we should have the Gogodala!" Yet another tribe that most people have never heard of.

We don't really need any more to be fair, but definitely variety is nice. Maybe it is a sort of collector or obsessive hoarder mentality, I'm not sure. I know I downloaded stupid numbers of mod leaders for Civilization 5. Partly I just like learning about new peoples and places each time they expand the game and add peoples that are relatively unknown.

I would say there is certainly a case to be made they should just move on to Civ 7, I am just speculating for the sake of it.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

Isn't it just!

I really don't get the argument that every corner of the globe has to be equally represented. "Oh, we don't have enough from Papua New Guinea, we should have the Gogodala!" Yet another tribe that most people have never heard of.

It's less a "we must have at least 2 Papua New Guinea" mentality than a "Africa, a continent much more large and populous than Europe, with a deep and marvelous and tremendous History, has only 6 civilizations (8 if you stretch to include Arabia and Phoenicia), with one leader being clearly Hellenistic and the other being known for adopting European customs, while Europe, less populous and smaller, is already represented by 17 civs (+4 alternate leaders), while the European culture, history and heritage are also represented by 4 post-colonial civs instead of local, as interesting native cultures" mentality.

 

[Menocchio]

My future-Civilisation fantasies:

Haida, under Cuneah of Kiusta;
Armenia, under Tigranes the Great;
Minoans, under The Prince of the Lilies;
Haudenosaunee, under Jigonhsasee;
Novgorod, under Rurik, Yaroslav the Wise, or Marfa Boretskaya;
Punjab, under Ranjit Singh;
Hausa, under Daurama.

As much as new civilisations, though, I would also like to see new leaders for those already in the game, especially a pre-Romanov Russian leader, a Qing dynasty leader, a pre-Ptolemaic Egyptian leader (as many have said before) and, if the developers want to be especially bold and brash, a semi-mythic Bronze Age Greek leader like Menelaus.

 

[SMcM]

My future-Civilisation fantasies:

Haida, under Cuneah of Kiusta;
Armenia, under Tigranes the Great;
Minoans, under The Prince of the Lilies;
Haudenosaunee, under Jigonhsasee;
Novgorod, under Rurik, Yaroslav the Wise, or Marfa Boretskaya;
Punjab, under Ranjit Singh;
Hausa, under Daurama.

As much as new civilisations, though, I would also like to see new leaders for those already in the game, especially a pre-Romanov Russian leader, a Qing dynasty leader, a pre-Ptolemaic Egyptian leader (as many have said before) and, if the developers want to be especially bold and brash, a semi-mythic Bronze Age Greek leader like Menelaus.

My questions would be firstly, why Daurama instead of the more famous Amina for Hausa? And secondly, should Yaroslav not be a leader for a Kievan-Rus civilization as opposed to Novgorod? He did rule from Kiev from what I'm aware. For Novgorod I would usually assume someone like Alexander Nevsky, from the time of the Novgorod Republic. Marfa Boretskaya makes sense for that too I suppose.

 

[Xandinho]

For a second round of passes I'd like to see:

Assyria
Austria
Italy (or Venice)
Iroquois
Morroco (or Berbers)
Navajo
South American wildcard: can be Guarani, Argentina, Tupi...
Final wildcard: can be Bulgaria, Hawaii, Tonga, Siam, Ashanti, Madagascar or Hittites.
Alt-leader: Egyptian (Ramesses II)

But I don't think so many civs are necessary, if it's to priorize only the main gaps, this would be my list:

Assyria
Italy (or Venice)
Morroco (or Berbers)
North American wildcard: Iroquois, Navajo...
The others five leaders would be alt ones:
Alt-leader 1: Egyptian (Ramesses II)
Alt-leader 2: Russian (Ivan the Terrible or Olga of Kiev)
Alt-leader 3: German (Otto von Bismarck or Maria Theresa)
Alt-leader 4: Arabian (Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan)
Alt-leader 5: Persian (Khosrow I).

 

[Zaarin]

Egyptian (Ramesses II)

I initially misinterpreted the closing parenthesis as reading Ramesses III, and I thought, "Interesting choice. He did defeat the Sea People and all, but considering he was murdered in the harem conspiracy..."

 

[untitledjuan]

It's less a "we must have at least 2 Papua New Guinea" mentality than a "Africa, a continent much more large and populous than Europe, with a deep and marvelous and tremendous History, has only 6 civilizations (8 if you stretch to include Arabia and Phoenicia), with one leader being clearly Hellenistic and the other being known for adopting European customs, while Europe, less populous and smaller, is already represented by 17 civs (+4 alternate leaders), while the European culture, history and heritage are also represented by 4 post-colonial civs instead of local, as interesting native cultures" mentality.

5 post-colonial civs

I think it would be interesting if they realeased DLCs to include some of the previous leaders in previous games of some of the civilisations currently in the game. I would like to see Isabella of Castile, Louis XIV, Wu Zetian and obviously Maria Theresa back into the game

 

[Menocchio]

My questions would be firstly, why Daurama instead of the more famous Amina for Hausa? And secondly, should Yaroslav not be a leader for a Kievan-Rus civilization as opposed to Novgorod? He did rule from Kiev from what I'm aware. For Novgorod I would usually assume someone like Alexander Nevsky, from the time of the Novgorod Republic. Marfa Boretskaya makes sense for that too I suppose.

Daurama ruled a united Hausa, for one, and also is a much earlier figure, and I think it would be more interesting to represent an earlier West African ruler, especially a pre-Islamic and pre-Christian one. Being from the 9th century AD, I think that would make her the second-oldest African leader in the game, after Amanitore.

Yaroslav promulgated his Russkaya Pravda while he was still Prince of Novgorod (approximately 1017, and he ascended to Kiev in 1019-ish), and also built his famous Court - one of the few, and oldest, surviving (however you can call it) examples of ancient Kievan secular architecture. This would make a nice leader background, I think. As for Nevsky, he is also good and as a more military-focused type of leader. Marfa Boretskaya is one of my more personal choices, as the princes I feel do not really reflect the individualness of the Novgorod Veche and, especially as Rurikids, are often just as tied to broader Kievan Rus' history and politics. Plus, Civilisation needs more angry Slavic grandmothers.