[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

Recently I read an interesting article about the Mississippians, the vanished culture who built Cahokia. One of the postulated reasons for their disappearance was the effects of environmental degradation - in other words they chopped too many woods. This is refuted on the grounds that this was not the way of pre-Columbian cultures; it is a Western European thing to chop everything. Pre-Columbian cultures had a proper respect for Nature. So it's appropriate that Cahokia is a CS rather than the Mississippians as a civ, complete with Magnus and an ethos of chopping your way through the eras.

Shephard Krech, in The Ecological Indian, takes on these arguments, looking at indigenous approaches to nature. There are other books, too, in colonial and postcolonial theory. In the Americas, the indigenous societies, also, are diverse - there's no one blob (to use a term here) that you can put all pre-Columbian or indigenous cultures into, and bear in mind that the Mississippians are co-extant with the European middle ages. We could never represent them outside of a CS owing to the need to have a leader and a language (there's discussion elsewhere on these forums re: having Caddo represent the Mississippians, which is probably a good historical guess).

What's distinctively Western and colonialist is the Lockean idea of land and property. That is to say, this argument:

The land is given to all mankind by God, so that mankind may prosper.
But if you are not plowing the land, cutting the trees, you are not really improving the land.
Therefore you are squandering God's gift. You're not really using the land in its best value.
Therefore you should give your land to people who will REALLY use it.

THAT kind of philosophy, either the more explicitly religious version ("this land is given to us by God") or the secular version (e.g. manifest destiny) is where a real split between indigenous Australians and Americans on one side and European settler-colonialists on the other comes in. So it's not to paint a romantic/Orientalist picture of the indigenous person "at one with nature" versus the wicked colonialist, but it's to see how the English, Lockean philosophy of landscape and technology in the 1700s was a particular kind of gasoline powering the dispossession of indigenous people and the clear-cutting of the New World.

We're still stuck with these ideas, too. Look at calls to "improve" property (or else have it repossessed), to make everything more productive. Optimized for outcome (defined in a limited way by the colonizer). Dare I say it - to increase yields.
 
I'd pay for an American Indian civ DLC

There are a number of civs I would like to see in VI still, but I'd be satisfied with the game if they merely did one more DLC before calling it quits that included another North American indigenous people.

I just feel like the Cree alone aren't adequate for the area and its varied cultures.
 
There are a number of civs I would like to see in VI still, but I'd be satisfied with the game if they merely did one more DLC before calling it quits that included another North American indigenous people.

I just feel like the Cree alone aren't adequate for the area and its varied cultures.

Seconded. An expansion pack focussing on north america (and africa) would be make me very happy even though it's one of the least likely things for the devs to go for.
 
Seconded. An expansion pack focussing on north america (and africa) would be make me very happy even though it's one of the least likely things for the devs to go for.
I would be surprised if there was more new civs and we didn’t get any from North America or Africa, specifically North Africa.
 
I Wonder what kind uniques and abilities Morocco would have.

Arabia already has the faith+science hybridi, Mali has desert trade routes.

Would be cool to have Morocco though.
 
I Wonder what kind uniques and abilities Morocco would have.

Arabia already has the faith+science hybridi, Mali has desert trade routes.

Would be cool to have Morocco though.
My ideal Morocco is cultural and builder with some heavy desert starting bias and maybe a Riad as an unique improvement that makes thrive on desert with foo yields and then getting tourism from it later in game.
 
Mali is a trade/religious desert civ. Morocco can be a builder/cultural/defensive desert civ. I'm sure they can make Mali and Morocco different enough.
 
Indigenous Peoples of the Americas and Oceania Season Pass

Pack 1: Tlingit and Navajo
Pack 2: Haudenosaunee
Pack 3: Guarani and Muisca
Pack 4: Miskito
Pack 5: Hawaii and Hongi Hika as alt. leader for Maori
Pack 6: Purépecha
 
Indigenous Peoples of the Americas and Oceania Season Pass

Pack 1: Tlingit and Navajo
Pack 2: Haudenosaunee
Pack 3: Guarani and Muisca
Pack 4: Miskito
Pack 5: Hawaii and Hongi Hika as alt. leader for Maori
Pack 6: Purépecha
It’s been a few hours and i’ve been thinking about this and the more i think about it the more sense this type of deal makes sense for late-cycle content in Civ

Africa Season Pass

Pack 1: Berbers and Mutapa

Pack 2: Kanem-Bornu

Pack 3: Yoruba and Jolof Empire

Pack 4: Swahili

Pack 5: Buganda and Ramses the Great for Egypt

Pack 6: Madagascar


Asia Season Pass

Pack 1: Timurids and Chola

Pack 2: Afghanistan

Pack 3: Mughals and Champa

Pack 4: Assyria

Pack 5: Jurchen and Meiji for Japan

Pack 6: Philippines


Europe and Caribbean Season Pass:

Pack 1: Austria and Haiti

Pack 2: Ireland

Pack 3: Taino and Finland

Pack 4: Bohemia

Pack 5: Italy with Mathilda of Tuscany and Vittorio Emmanuel as alternative leaders

Pack 6: Kievan Rus
 
It’s been a few hours and i’ve been thinking about this and the more i think about it the more sense this type of deal makes sense for late-cycle content in Civ

Africa Season Pass

Pack 1: Berbers and Mutapa

Pack 2: Kanem-Bornu

Pack 3: Yoruba and Jolof Empire

Pack 4: Swahili

Pack 5: Buganda and Ramses the Great for Egypt

Pack 6: Madagascar


Asia Season Pass

Pack 1: Timurids and Chola

Pack 2: Afghanistan

Pack 3: Mughals and Champa

Pack 4: Assyria

Pack 5: Jurchen and Meiji for Japan

Pack 6: Philippines


Europe and Caribbean Season Pass:

Pack 1: Austria and Haiti

Pack 2: Ireland

Pack 3: Taino and Finland

Pack 4: Bohemia

Pack 5: Italy with Mathilda of Tuscany and Vittorio Emmanuel as alternative leaders

Pack 6: Kievan Rus
All of that and still nothing from continental North America? :crazyeye:
 
Very nice! All of those choice would be great options and I can't think of much more that I'd personally add to the list. Just shows that even with the number of civs we currently have that there's plenty more that many of us would like!
 
there's only a handful of civs left I can think of that I would like. Iroquois, Hittites, Morocco, Holy Roman Empire separate from Germany, Bohemia (how are they not even a city-state at this point?), Ghana (Ashanti), Israel but that'll never happen,
 
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so in the new video they said that they’re going to change civ 6’s release schedule and that they’re not done, so more content is still on the table, which is a win
 
so in the new video they said that they’re going to change civ 6’s release schedule and that they’re not done, so more content is still on the table, which is a win
Wait, what? The release schedule was referring to NFP and updates over the past year. They never mentioned one way or the other whether they're done with Civ VI. The only two comments that could be construed as indicating future updates (not necessarily content) were:
"Please continue to follow us on social media, so you won't miss any announcements or updates about Sid Meier's Civilization."
"Keep that feedback coming because we are always listening."
 
Wait, what? The release schedule was referring to NFP and updates over the past year. They never mentioned one way or the other whether they're done with Civ VI. The only two comments that could be construed as indicating future updates (not necessarily content) were:
"Please continue to follow us on social media, so you won't miss any announcements or updates about Sid Meier's Civilization."
"Keep that feedback coming because we are always listening."
ah i must have misheard, i thought they said ‘we’ll be changing the release schedule going forward’ or something to that effect
 
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