[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Potworny]

Okay, but does anybody know who this guy/guyette could be based on? What if it's not just a generic leader outline but a clue?

Spoiler :

I realise it may be too early to go full tinfoil hat mode but that's why I'm here.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

It’s all fun and good and, to be honest, I’m OVERHYPED about this (and the new DLC system seems promising), but let’s be serious one moment about all the speculations, and more precisely about this image:

A lot of people are saying that it is a Mayan observatory, meaning that the Mayan UI is a replacement for the campus. Yes, I mean, it can be that. But is it? I think not. Let us decompose this picture, will us?

What I see in this building is red marble, and you CAN’T objectively object it (if you do, you’re a liar, and that’s a fact). The dome over it is also completely distinctive. It says, it screams Basilica. It’s a Basilica, hence a replacement for the Holy Site district. So, here’s the first clue: one of the unique civilization (and shortly released) will be a civilization religion-focused. So, maybe, a Basicila with red marble, is it Byzantium?

Wrong.

The other clue is this other picture:

It seems like the famous Soothsayer we all talk so much about. Byzantium are not really good about soothsaying, because if they were, they wouldn’t have been plundered by some 90 years old blind merchant and would have survived the Ottomans (because, as everyone knows, the biggest weakness of the Ottoman Empire were soothsayers; I know it because I read it on a Wikipedia page I edited so).

So, who might that be? Well, take a look about the soothsayers: if you squint enough, the vehicle-thingy has like two snakes coming out of it. Maybe… dragons? A Scandinavian civ? Don’t be silly, they didn’t had soothsayers, they had lawspeakers. So, which other civilization might it be? Well, it has to be a civilization that has something to do with snakes. In the sense of a civilization that has a very peculiar myth that a holy man just throw the snakes out of the island with the help of a holy salmon? Saint Patrick, anyone?

We have another clue that I drag in it without any basis or relation with the other, but it's not that that will stops me. We’re here to speculate after all. And this clue is: secret societies. “But”, will you say in your bewildering naïveté, “secret societies are tied to Ethiopia!”. And you’re RIGHT. But what are Ethiopian famous for, besides proving once again that Italian are the laughing stock of modern era European powers? Christianity. And which other people were known for their love of Christianity? Ireland.

And thus, will all this clues – clues that I won’t put side to side because you might see that the reasoning stands on nothing but my wild imagination – we have the undeniable and absolute proof that Ireland, led by Saint Patrick, will be one of the new civilizations.

Another victory for logic. Yeah.

It's a fair cop

 

[ShahJahanII]

Okay, but does anybody know who this guy/guyette could be based on? What if it's not just a generic leader outline but a clue?

Spoiler :

I realise it may be too early to go full tinfoil hat mode but that's why I'm here.

It is a generic leading considering they all look like that....

 

[AntSou]

So here is what Teddy Roosevelt and Catherine de Medici 100% will look like. You can't convince me I'm wrong .

The animations will be exactly the same, just like it happens with double Eleanor. However, for Rough Rider Teddy, they'll give him this sweet looking hat and uniform!

Spoiler :

As for Magnificence Catherine, she's 100% gonna ditch the black, at least in the upper torso! But it sounds like a lot of work to make a full new dress for her, so maybe they'll keep the bottom part of the dress and replace the upper part with something more along these lines:

Spoiler :

Or this:

Spoiler :

 

[Pistol90]

I have to say the Soothsayer Unit sounds dumb as ****. Hopefully it can be turned off/disabled.

Its bassicly Magician, Gandalf in Civ game ....

And its not like religion, even if you are not religious --- religion had really-really important political implications in world history. Magicians calling meteorites from sky ???

 

[Naokaukodem]

Disappointed with that announce. I would have far more preferred an announce of Civ7, with top notch graphics that time around, and maybe why not a whole new concept as the main game, such as I described in the Civ7/x/other project suggestion. Who knows, maybe we will see such concepts in the new modes, that would be something for testing it to the community and maybe base Civ7 on it ? Other way, as a non-buyer of Civ6 (I play it at a buddy's home ), those constant updates seem to be a little annoying. Glad I didn't buy it though, because it will split the online community yet more. Easy money I guess. Bah.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

Okay, but does anybody know who this guy/guyette could be based on? What if it's not just a generic leader outline but a clue?

Spoiler :

I realise it may be too early to go full tinfoil hat mode but that's why I'm here.

It's probably based on a stock image

 

[AntSou]

Disappointed with that announce. I would have far more preferred an announce of Civ7, with top notch graphics that time around

If they were to release Civ 6 in 2020, it would graphically look like it does now. The game hasn't aged at all in that department.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

Its bassicly Magician, Gandalf in Civ game ....

And its not like religion, even if you are not religious --- religion had really-really important political implications in world history. Magicians calling meteorites from sky ???

Missionaries casting lightning on each other in Civ game are an expression of this political ultra-realism

 

[Morningcalm]

Disappointed with that announce. I would have far more preferred an announce of Civ7, with top notch graphics that time around, and maybe why not a whole new concept as the main game, such as I described in the Civ7/x/other project suggestion. Who knows, maybe we will see such concepts in the new modes, that would be something for testing it to the community and maybe base Civ7 on it ? Other way, as a non-buyer of Civ6 (I play it at a buddy's home ), those constant updates seem to be a little annoying. Glad I didn't buy it though, because it will split the online community yet more. Easy money I guess. Bah.

I also would have preferred Civ 7, but to be fair, quite a few of the more fervent fans at Civfanatics and other sites answered Firaxis' poll, so I assume their decision to make new content was based on the repeated asks for such in this forum especially (also on Facebook, from what I've seen over Civ VI's lifespan).

Missionaries casting lightning on each other in Civ game are an expression of this political ultra-realism

I always found that annoying for medieval times and onward--they should be debating and thumping books and such, not casting lightning (I think lightning for ancient times is ok though).

 

[Kimiimaro]

It’s all fun and good and, to be honest, I’m OVERHYPED about this (and the new DLC system seems promising), but let’s be serious one moment about all the speculations, and more precisely about this image:

A lot of people are saying that it is a Mayan observatory, meaning that the Mayan UI is a replacement for the campus. Yes, I mean, it can be that. But is it? I think not. Let us decompose this picture, will us?

What I see in this building is red marble, and you CAN’T objectively object it (if you do, you’re a liar, and that’s a fact). The dome over it is also completely distinctive. It says, it screams Basilica. It’s a Basilica, hence a replacement for the Holy Site district. So, here’s the first clue: one of the unique civilization (and shortly released) will be a civilization religion-focused. So, maybe, a Basicila with red marble, is it Byzantium?

Wrong.

The other clue is this other picture:

It seems like the famous Soothsayer we all talk so much about. Byzantium are not really good about soothsaying, because if they were, they wouldn’t have been plundered by some 90 years old blind merchant and would have survived the Ottomans (because, as everyone knows, the biggest weakness of the Ottoman Empire were soothsayers; I know it because I read it on a Wikipedia page I edited so).

So, who might that be? Well, take a look about the soothsayers: if you squint enough, the vehicle-thingy has like two snakes coming out of it. Maybe… dragons? A Scandinavian civ? Don’t be silly, they didn’t had soothsayers, they had lawspeakers. So, which other civilization might it be? Well, it has to be a civilization that has something to do with snakes. In the sense of a civilization that has a very peculiar myth that a holy man just throw the snakes out of the island with the help of a holy salmon? Saint Patrick, anyone?

We have another clue that I drag in it without any basis or relation with the other, but it's not that that will stops me. We’re here to speculate after all. And this clue is: secret societies. “But”, will you say in your bewildering naïveté, “secret societies are tied to Ethiopia!”. And you’re RIGHT. But what are Ethiopian famous for, besides proving once again that Italian are the laughing stock of modern era European powers? Christianity. And which other people were known for their love of Christianity? Ireland.

And thus, will all this clues – clues that I won’t put side to side because you might see that the reasoning stands on nothing but my wild imagination – we have the undeniable and absolute proof that Ireland, led by Saint Patrick, will be one of the new civilizations.

Another victory for logic. Yeah.

I've missed these logical uncoverings of yours greatly

 

[Deggial]

They've described the game modes, which it seems to come from, as modular and optional.

However, I doubt it will be that modular.
If(!) the soothsayer is part of the ‘Apocalypse’ mode, I think it can only be switched on/off together with the whole rest of the mode. I don’t believe, we will be able to use the new disasters, but skip the related unit.

 

[ehecatzin]

And thats why I'm always so annoyed that in mainstream media mesoamerican architecture is so often portrayed with mossy slabs of stone as oposed to the clean lines and vibrant colors we know it had, when It's portrayed somewhat acurately it throws people for a loop and they don't see the "Mayan" in it.

I also agree in that It doesn't seem to follow their usual color coding, it doesn't quite read as a campus at first glance, man I don't want to sound repetitive but the more I look at the Mayan campus the less I like how the obvservatory clashes with the blue generic buildings, it looks more like half a unique district.

And It's not like blue is completely out of the window when it comes to Mayan architecture, (Bonampak murals) I think they could have implemented a few very noticeable strikes of blue here and there, or even add painted murals/ little cenotes to add more campus blue.

again..I hope It's a WIP, or else I'm going to be very dissapointed, any new districts should get the same level of detail GS ones had, not less.

 

[Pistol90]

Missionaries casting lightning on each other in Civ game are an expression of this political ultra-realism

Yeah, but that is just graphical representation of their debate ... it's not like those lightning have impact on physical world. Someone calling meteorit from sky which then destroys entire city and its surrounding have.

 

[Guandao]

And thats why I'm always so annoyed that in mainstream media mesoamerican architecture is so often portrayed with mossy slabs of stone as oposed to the clean lines and vibrant colors we know it had, when It's portrayed somewhat acurately it throws people for a loop and they don't see the "Mayan" in it.

The Romans and Greeks have a similar problem, with modern people assuming their statues and architecture was all White marble instead of the colorful reality.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

I also would have preferred Civ 7, but to be fair, quite a few of the more fervent fans at Civfanatics and other sites answered Firaxis' poll, so I assume their decision to make new content was based on the repeated asks for such in this forum especially (also on Facebook, from what I've seen over Civ VI's lifespan).


I always found that annoying for medieval times and onward--they should be debating and thumping books and such, not casting lightning (I think lightning for ancient times is ok though).

They are testing new development circles. Firaxis pool was a part of this plan... not a cause. If you seek realism and historical simulation neither Civ VI nor Civ VII will not meet your expectations.

 

[Morningcalm]

They are testing new development circles. Firaxis pool was a part of this plan... not a cause. If you seek realism and historical simulation neither Civ VI nor Civ VII will not meet your expectations.

I didn't say they needed to be perfect representations of realism or historical simulation, but some overtly silly things ought be removed. Like those overly negative historical quotes for Civ VI, which pale in comparison to the more uplifiting quotes from Civ V (like the Electricity quote for example).

 

[ehecatzin]

The Romans and Greeks have a similar problem, with modern people assuming their statues and architecture was all White marble instead of the colorful reality.

Thats one of the things I loved about HBO's Rome, how colorful everything was, I know, this things take time and changing perception with new discoveries is slow (for example one day colored roman and greek statues will be norm in pop culture). Thats why I think It's important for games like Civ, that have such a large reach to make an effort to portay those cultures as best they can.

Now, don't want to sound like I hate that Mayans are in, but I'm holding on to my seat...and if Pacal or Lady Six Sky shows up all dressed up like Apocaypto cosplay...damm it would be such a bummer.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

If it was, then I'd expect it to be at least somewhat Blue, not Brown. Remember their philosophy of having the districts be easily readable. Brown is Industrial Zones, while Blue is Campus. Maybe they just haven't finished a Blue tiling on the roofs or something...

I also agree in that It doesn't seem to follow their usual color coding, it doesn't quite read as a campus at first glance, man I don't want to sound repetitive but the more I look at the Mayan campus the less I like how the obvservatory clashes with the blue generic buildings, it looks more like half a unique district.

And It's not like blue is completely out of the window when it comes to Mayan architecture, (Bonampak murals) I think they could have implemented a few very noticeable strikes of blue here and there, or even add painted murals/ little cenotes to add more campus blue.

To me it looks like a unique Holy Site graphic, but with campus buildings, so I wonder (am hoping) that maybe faith bonuses will go along with the science.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

The Romans and Greeks have a similar problem, with modern people assuming their statues and architecture was all White marble instead of the colorful reality.

Same with gothic cathedrals.