[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Duke William of Normandy]

Does wearing yellow/ gold signify leading China as well?

Oh, my word... Of course! That makes so much sense. White for Mongolia and Yellow for China, it all fits together!

 

[Zaarin]

Does wearing yellow/ gold signify leading China as well?

Maybe he wears gold when he's leading China and white when he's leading Mongolia?

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Maybe he wears gold when he's leading China and white when he's leading Mongolia?

Yeah, exactly what I said!! This is significant evidence. Doesn't confirm it, but if it does, I am sure much of the Civ 6 team are history nerds. Like @Boris Gudenuf and I.

 

[conorbebe]

I'm sorry, but his hair looks stupid. It's so big and stiff, and shiny! Not how I imagined him at all.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Shouldn't Kublai be wearing white?

It is actually his lacking of headwears that surprised me. Mongolians rulers usually wear their stylish hat when in the public.

 

[Morningcalm]

Are we sure this is Kublai and not someone else from a Southeast Asian country? I think it is odd that Kublai is somewhat aged here, but yes, the yellow robe might signify China.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Yeah, exactly what I said!! This is significant evidence. Doesn't confirm it, but if it does, I am sure much of the Civ 6 team are history nerds. Like @Boris Gudenuf and I.

I think the Yellow = China, White = Mongol is the key. Yellow or Golden Yellow in Chinese culture was the color of the Center, the Balance, and most of the Imperial Chinese Dynasties (there was at least one that used Red, but it wasn't the Yuan and I can't remember which one it was off the top of me head). White, as mentioned above, was the color of a Shaman's robes in Mongolia.
There are literally dozens of portraits of Kublai (Getty images lists 179, but many of those are modern cinematic portrayals) but very few that are contemporary or near-contemporary, and all of those show either plain white clothing or heavily-decorated (embroidery, decorative stitching) on a white background. Of course, given the effect of age on natural ink or paint colors, 'white' could equally have been pale yellow originally.

Changing the basic color of the robe to match the 'culture' of each Civ would be a really neat touch. Kudos to the art team at Firaxis IF that's what they are doing.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

It is actually his lacking of headwears that surprised me.

Given that most of his depictions have a hat on top of him, yeah, that what confuses me the most, someewhat.

Are we sure this is Kublai and not someone else from a Southeast Asian country? I think it is odd that Kublai is somewhat aged here, but yes, the yellow robe might signify China.

He has a Mongolian belt on, so that's evidence he's Kublai.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Are we sure this is Kublai and not someone else from a Southeast Asian country? I think it is odd that Kublai is somewhat aged here, but yes, the yellow robe might signify China.

Check his belt and beard. Kublai has the exact same beard.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I think the Yellow = China, White = Mongol is the key. Yellow or Golden Yellow in Chinese culture was the color of the Center, the Balance, and most of the Imperial Chinese Dynasties (there was at least one that used Red, but it wasn't the Yuan and I can't remember which one it was off the top of me head). White, as mentioned above, was the color of a Shaman's robes in Mongolia.
There are literally dozens of portraits of Kublai (Getty images lists 179, but many of those are modern cinematic portrayals) but very few that are contemporary or near-contemporary, and all of those show either plain white clothing or heavily-decorated (embroidery, decorative stitching) on a white background. Of course, given the effect of age on natural ink or paint colors, 'white' could equally have been pale yellow originally.

Changing the basic color of the robe to match the 'culture' of each Civ would be a really neat touch. Kudos to the art team at Firaxis IF that's what they are doing.

Kudos indeed. We shall see. Don't fail us history nerds, Firaxis...

 

[Myomoto]

An I the only one thinks he looks a bit... waxy? The rosy red cheeks make him look like a garden gnome

 

[8housesofelixir]

Shouldn't Kublai be wearing white?

I think the Yellow = China, White = Mongol is the key. Yellow or Golden Yellow in Chinese culture was the color of the Center, the Balance, and most of the Imperial Chinese Dynasties (there was at least one that used Red, but it wasn't the Yuan and I can't remember which one it was off the top of me head). White, as mentioned above, was the color of a Shaman's robes in Mongolia.

If you search some Mongolian clothing, you will find that yellow isn't uncommon - steppe clothing is really colorful, and they love to use primary colors.

For instance, in that famous Japanese painting scroll about Mongol invasion, which is a contemporary source, many Mongolian soldiers wore yellow deels.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Beard matches with civ 4 Kublai Khan

Not that much, but certainly matches.

Also, noticing this is your first post here, and as the unofficial welcoming committee, I hereby welcome you to the Civ Fanatics Forums. We all hope you enjoy your time here and that you have a memorable experience here... Yeah, this is kind of my thing here on the forums.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Overall, taking all the portraits of Kublai, Marco Polo's account, and the typical style of Mongolian clothing into consideration, the surprising things about this Kublai are
1. He doesn't have a round face (Kublai's contemporary portraits - we have 2 existing portraits - all gave him a round face);
2. He doesn't have a headwear as well (Mongolians and their rulers usually wear their hat in the public, and, not to say, imagine not having any headwear on the windy steppe);
3. Mongolians around Kublai's time also have a distinct hairstyle (they shove their heads) and the hairstyle of the Kublai model is completely different.

Besides those points, he is definitely Kublai - having Mongolian clothing, having the same beard as Kublai, and, you know, Vietnamese rulers don't look like that.

I would say using the same head model of Genghis (which does have a round face) for Kublai's head should be adequate - Kublai is Genghis' grandson after all, why would their appearances look so much different? I do hope devs can, somehow, address these issues, if possible.
(I think this is also the first time in civ we have two leaders that are close relatives.)

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Besides those points, he is definitely Kublai - having Mongolian clothing, having the same beard as Kublai, and, you know, Vietnamese rulers didn't look like that.

Of course a Vietnamese ruler wore that: it's just in an alternate universe, Kublai conquered Vietnam and he leads Vietnam.

 

[Yudhisthira]

Not that much, but certainly matches.

Also, noticing this is your first post here, and as the unofficial welcoming committee, I hereby welcome you to the Civ Fanatics Forums. We all hope you enjoy your time here and that you have a memorable experience here... Yeah, this is kind of my thing here on the forums.

Thank You Duke
You have my full support to become an Emperor now

Look forward to have great conversations here.

 

[Hawke9]

(I think this is also the first time in civ we have two leaders that are close relatives.)

Kublai and Genghis have both been in civ IV as well I believe.

And I believe Kristina was the daughter of Gustavus Adolphus in civ V, but those were in different games of course. Gustavus Adolphus is a great general in civ VI though.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Kublai and Genghis have both been in civ IV as well I believe.

And I believe Kristina was the daughter of Gustavus Adolphus in civ V, but those were in different games of course. Gustavus Adolphus is a great general in civ VI though.

Wasn't Maria the Mad Pedro's grandmother? If so, it's the same degree of relationship as between Genghis and Kublai.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Besides those points, he is definitely Kublai - having Mongolian clothing, having the same beard as Kublai, and, you know, Vietnamese rulers don't look like that.

True, Vietnamese emperors don't wear this, they wear what you would typically imagine what a Chinese emperor wears, which in this case Kublai doesn't wear it either cuz he is not ethnic Han.

Wasn't Maria the Mad Pedro's grandmother? If so, it's the same degree of relationship as between Genghis and Kublai.

If you count leaders across games then Monty I is the grandfather of Monty II as well, but then most civ games before Civ5 never really make it clear whether the leader is Monty I or II. We just know that both have been depicted.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Kublai wearing yellow doesn't guarantee he leads both China and Mongolia. It means he's in the game, leading Mongolia.

If he leads both though, I would love to see two different character models à la Eleanor.

Looks like another leak confirmed. Welcome to the Civ Franchise, Vietnam.