[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I don't think we could have Pirates as a Civ. Maybe as a Province with the potential Colonisation Mode, but I doubt that since we already have a Pirate Scenario (and we have Black Death Scenario since quite a while now and we didn't get the plague systeme integrated into the vanilla game afterwards, or as a Mode).

It definitely would be interesting. Though at the same time I'd be fine with a Port Royal or Nassau city-state to depict a Pirate Republic in the game.

Well, I guess we can have a pirate civ led by Jack Sparrow or Elizabeth Swan in a few years when Disney-Taco Bell-Pizza Hutt-Pepsi-Radisson-Texas Instruments-NASA owns 2k along with the rest of the world.

Along with Powhatan lead by Pocahontas, Moana leading a Polynesian Civ, Raya leading a SEA civ, Merida leading Ireland/Scotland?, and Elsa leading a non Viking Scandinavia civ.

This. "Pirates" should fall into the same category as Barbarian Hordes on land: overall direction and leadership marginal, but potentially a massive distraction for anyone attempting to make a living from the sea.
And although the 17th - 18th century Caribbean pirates are the most famous (at least in the West) the Philippine/South China, Classical and Renaissance Mediterranean Pirate swarms may have been even more influential.

To be done right, a Pirate emphasis in the game should really include specific Pirate Ships (Ancient/Classical Galley or Liburnian, Medieval Xebec, Renaissance Sloop or Barque, for instance) that are generally weaker in combat but can all raid the coast and are faster than their Naval opponents and the game needs to include the option to pay them to leave you alone (like, specifically don't raid your coast or trade routes), or hire their ships as Privateers.

I do think that's one advantage of having Barbarian Clans turned on is where instead of coastal clans only spawning quadriremes and then caravels they are able to have biremes and barbary corsairs early game.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Along with Powhatan lead by Pocahontas, Moana leading a Polynesian Civ, Raya leading a SEA civ, Merida leading Ireland/Scotland?, and Elsa leading a non Viking Scandinavia civ.

Jasmine leads Arabia, Shang leads China, Snow White leads France,etc.

 

[Zaarin]

Snow White leads France

Germany. Cinderella leads France.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Germany. Cinderella leads France.

Oops.

 

[leif erikson]

Moderator Action: From Disneyland back to topic please.

 

[Hakan-i Cihan]

For an asymmetric pirate civ, how would it if they could only settle next to coast tiles only (no inland cities)?

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

For an asymmetric pirate civ, how would it if they could only settle next to coast tiles only (no inland cities)?

There is a historical/geographic phenomena known as a "pirate coast" in which the area just behind the coast is so mountainous or inhospitable that there is virtually no easy communication with the interior. That means that an interior government has no control over the coastal communities and they get no support from the interior, so they invariably turn to piracy. Two of the earliest examples were the Aegean coast of Anatolia and the Dalmatian coast of the Adriatic: mountainous interior, no strong government influence = Pirates!

Which means that a possible "pirate Civ' mechanic could build on the current 'coastal barbarian clans': when one of them becomes a City State, it becomes a Pirate City State like, say, Port Royale, Tortuga, Hai Tac, Sale, Porto Farina, Algiers, etc.

Any of these could also be the basis for a "Pirate Civ" in which your starting bias would be 100% Coastal Start, you would have bonuses towards sea trade and commerce but severe maluses towards building land armies, Pirate type ships as posted earlier might even be free or dirt cheap since your population will be building them and using them without 'government' supervision: something like every time a ship pillages a coastal tile or loots a Trade Route it spawns a new 'pirate' ship - success breeds imitators, so to speak. . .

 

[Tigranes]

Huge swaths of Central Asia are very under represented. Scythians are speaking Iranian related language, but what about all those Turkic Muslim states in the Central Asia. Civ needs Tamerlane. And Timurids/Uzbeks. Tamerlane is just as iconic as Alexander, Napoleon or Cesar and yet he never been in civ franchise. Yes, he is aa great general, like Genghis was before becoming a leader. Time to fix it and make him a leader. Rename Timur GG Nader Shah.

 

[Codeword Iroquois]

There is a historical/geographic phenomena known as a "pirate coast" in which the area just behind the coast is so mountainous or inhospitable that there is virtually no easy communication with the interior. That means that an interior government has no control over the coastal communities and they get no support from the interior, so they invariably turn to piracy. Two of the earliest examples were the Aegean coast of Anatolia and the Dalmatian coast of the Adriatic: mountainous interior, no strong government influence = Pirates!

Which means that a possible "pirate Civ' mechanic could build on the current 'coastal barbarian clans': when one of them becomes a City State, it becomes a Pirate City State like, say, Port Royale, Tortuga, Hai Tac, Sale, Porto Farina, Algiers, etc.

Any of these could also be the basis for a "Pirate Civ" in which your starting bias would be 100% Coastal Start, you would have bonuses towards sea trade and commerce but severe maluses towards building land armies, Pirate type ships as posted earlier might even be free or dirt cheap since your population will be building them and using them without 'government' supervision: something like every time a ship pillages a coastal tile or loots a Trade Route it spawns a new 'pirate' ship - success breeds imitators, so to speak. . .

Turns out we're revisiting SEA for the Champa...

 

[ButtBillionaire]

Feels sort of odd that in not too long (if previous announcements are anything to go by), we'll know what the final civ is. Where'd all the time go?

Thus, not a lot of time left to decide whether you want to bank on Portugal or a North American civ... or a surprise something else.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Feels sort of odd that in not too long (if previous announcements are anything to go by), we'll know what the final civ is. Where'd all the time go?

Thus, not a lot of time left to decide whether you want to bank on Portugal or a North American civ... or a surprise something else.

I'm sure the update video will be on the 15th, a week from tomorrow, if they go by precedent of releasing the video on a Monday and then the 25th for the pack release on the Thursday of the next week.

 

[Zaarin]

Huge swaths of Central Asia are very under represented. Scythians are speaking Iranian related language, but what about all those Turkic Muslim states in the Central Asia. Civ needs Tamerlane. And Timurids/Uzbeks.

Not saying you're wrong, but I have to point out that Central Asia was solidly Iranian until well into the Middle Ages (and quite a few Iranian peoples are still in Central Asia--Tajiks, Pashtuns, Balochi, Yaghnobis, etc.).

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Not saying you're wrong, but I have to point out that Central Asia was solidly Iranian until well into the Middle Ages (and quite a few Iranian peoples are still in Central Asia--Tajiks, Pashtuns, Balochi, Yaghnobis, etc.).

yup. It’s too bad that there aren’t proper Turkic central asian civ’s like the Timurids or the Kyrzig Sultanate, but that’s unfortunately the way it is :/

Iranic Central Asians represent about half of the history of the region though, sooo

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Not saying you're wrong, but I have to point out that Central Asia was solidly Iranian until well into the Middle Ages (and quite a few Iranian peoples are still in Central Asia--Tajiks, Pashtuns, Balochi, Yaghnobis, etc.).

How about Ahmed Shah Durrani as Leader of an Afghan/Pashtun Civilization?

 

[Zaarin]

How about Ahmed Shah Durrani as Leader of an Afghan/Pashtun Civilization?

Like I said earlier, I'm not overly familiar with post-Antiquity Central Asia, but from a quick Google he sounds interesting.

 

[Geminus Leonem]

So what is the forum's consensus for the last NFP civ pick?

All I have gathered from lightly browsing civ communities is that it will be a new civ with a female leader in either Central Asia, Oceania, or some such.

 

[pokiehl]

So what is the forum's consensus for the last NFP civ pick?

All I have gathered from lightly browsing civ communities is that it will be a new civ with a female leader in either Central Asia, Oceania, or some such.

I doubt it. It’s a mistake to take anything you see in a speculation thread as fact. These threads tend to become echo chambers.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

So what is the forum's consensus for the last NFP civ pick?

All I have gathered from lightly browsing civ communities is that it will be a new civ with a female leader in either Central Asia, Oceania, or some such.

It's most likely going to be a female Leader given 1/3 Leaders are female rule the devs seem to follow, but who knows? Don't take it as fact, and wait till next week.

I doubt it. It’s a mistake to take anything you see in a speculation thread as fact. These threads tend to become echo chambers.

Sad, but true most of the time.

 

[AntSou]

I doubt it. It’s a mistake to take anything you see in a speculation thread as fact. These threads tend to become echo chambers.

True... but we also guessed them all (other than Ambiorix)

Although tbf it's nearly impossible not to guess them all when your guesses include the entire spectrum of possibilities...

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

So what is the forum's consensus for the last NFP civ pick?

All I have gathered from lightly browsing civ communities is that it will be a new civ with a female leader in either Central Asia, Oceania, or some such.

It will probably be either Portugal or the Iroquois/other Native American tribe.

Central Asia and Oceania have popped up because people have been talking how they are underrepresented regions, but I don't think one from those regions are likely to be the final civ.

That being said I feel like North Africa is more underrepresented though and there are several female leaders such as Dihya of the Berbers or Sayyida al Hurra of Morocco.