pre-release info Civilization VII - Content Spreadsheet Thread - Civ overview!

[Siptah]

Oh, I agree that Germany/German Empire/Prussia is in the game.

We‘ll see later on if the flag is associated (a simple reason might be to avoid the imperial flag which is nowadays adored by an increasing number of weirdos that claim the Empire still exists) or whether it‘s just a generic independent power.

I have to admit though, that I‘m not sure whether IPs even have commanders. Still, feels weird to me to have a dynastic flag for Prussia/Germany/German Empire instead of a national one. I don‘t think pre-heraldic comparisons are that helpful, even inside a single game.

 

[uppi]

In the Modern Age live stream we saw the entire tech tree and the entire (generic) civic tree. Those had 12 wonders in them. We also saw the Democracy tree with no wonders. I think it is very likely that the Communism and Fascism tree don't have any wonders in them either. So I think we have exactly 12 modern age wonders (and all of them can be identified with what is already on the spreadsheet). 12 wonders means exactly 2 unassociated wonders. Red Fort and Taj Mahal are clearly both Mughal, so one of those is one of the unassociated wonders. In my opinion this means the following:

• This rules out any surprise civ which has not been spotted, yet. (So no Ottomans, etc.)
• One out of Britain and Prussia/Germany has to be in (my money would be on Prussia)
• If there is a modern civ in COTW, it has to be the one of the above which is not in the base game ( I would actually bet that COTW will not contain a modern civ)
• Russia is almost certainly in

There is a tiny chance that Russia is out and both Britain an Germany/Prussia are in, but I think there is quite some evidence against that.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Oh, I agree that Germany/German Empire/Prussia is in the game.

We‘ll see later on if the flag is associated (a simple reason might be to avoid the imperial flag which is nowadays adored a by an increasing number of wierdos) or whether it‘s just a generic independent power.

I have to admit though, that I‘m not sure whether IPs even have commanders. Still, feels weird to me to have a dynastic flag for Prussia/Germany/German Empire instead of a national one. I don‘t think pre-heraldic comparisons are that helpful, even inside a single game.

Presumably one of the Prussian Eagle or the Iron Cross would have to be the civ icon, though. My guess is the Prussian Eagle might be the civ icon. Maybe they didn't want it on the banner in game because the similar black eagle might be used by Imperial Russia, and be harder to distinguish?

 

[Zaarin]

To play devil's advocate we've never had Britian, or the British, technically in the game before, so it's not like we're missing out on that part.

Arguably Civ6 had Britain twice since Victoria's England was very, very British and Scotland was very, very British.

 

[Sagax]

In the Modern Age live stream we saw the entire tech tree and the entire (generic) civic tree. Those had 12 wonders in them. We also saw the Democracy tree with no wonders. I think it is very likely that the Communism and Fascism tree don't have any wonders in them either. So I think we have exactly 12 modern age wonders (and all of them can be identified with what is already on the spreadsheet). 12 wonders means exactly 2 unassociated wonders. Red Fort and Taj Mahal are clearly both Mughal, so one of those is one of the unassociated wonders. In my opinion this means the following:

• This rules out any surprise civ which has not been spotted, yet. (So no Ottomans, etc.)
• One out of Britain and Prussia/Germany has to be in (my money would be on Prussia)
• If there is a modern civ in COTW, it has to be the one of the above which is not in the base game ( I would actually bet that COTW will not contain a modern civ)
• Russia is almost certainly in

There is a tiny chance that Russia is out and both Britain an Germany/Prussia are in, but I think there is quite some evidence against that.

That callout about Red Fort and Taj Mahal makes me think…

Do we know for sure what being an associated wonder actually implies? Is it:

- a production bonus only
- an earlier unlock only
- either a production bonus or an earlier unlock, depending the civ/wonder
- both a production bonus and an earlier unlock

If it’s the last one, then it could be another strike against Britain. Someone pointed out that Oxford University is placed among the very first techs in the Modern age (you can pick its research on Turn 1), thus nullifying the benefit of being an earlier unlock. Same applies to Red Fort, meaning these could be the two unassociated wonders for the age.

 

[Zaarin]

- both a production bonus and an earlier unlock

This one.

 

[AriochIV]

Well... an alternate unlock. Not necessarily earlier, if you're not dumping culture into your civ-specific tree.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Two possible paths to unlocking a wonder is a pretty nice benefit. It gives you options for what you want to pursue in the Civics trees.

 

[uppi]

If it’s the last one, then it could be another strike against Britain. Someone pointed out that Oxford University is placed among the very first techs in the Modern age (you can pick its research on Turn 1), thus nullifying the benefit of being an earlier unlock. Same applies to Red Fort, meaning these could be the two unassociated wonders for the age.

I wouldn't read too much into that. The first tier of Modern age civics also unlock an associated wonder each.

 

[chaosprophet]

1. Amina
2. Ashoka
3. Conqueror Ashoka
4. Augustus
5. Benjamin Franklin
6. Charlemagne
7. Confucius
8. Harriet Tubman
9. Hatshepsut
10. Himiko
11. Ibn Battuta
12. Isabella
13. Machiavelli
14. Napoleon
15. Revolutionary Napoleon
16. Pachacuti
17. Tecumseh
18. Trung Trac
19. Xerxes
20. Xerxes the Achaemenid
21. ?
22. ?
23. ?
24. ?
25. ? (persona)
26. ? (persona)

Yeah you meant the latter part of what I said, so different from my first interpretation of your post.

 

[cubecookie333]

In the Modern Age live stream we saw the entire tech tree and the entire (generic) civic tree. Those had 12 wonders in them. We also saw the Democracy tree with no wonders. I think it is very likely that the Communism and Fascism tree don't have any wonders in them either. So I think we have exactly 12 modern age wonders (and all of them can be identified with what is already on the spreadsheet). 12 wonders means exactly 2 unassociated wonders. Red Fort and Taj Mahal are clearly both Mughal, so one of those is one of the unassociated wonders. In my opinion this means the following:

• This rules out any surprise civ which has not been spotted, yet. (So no Ottomans, etc.)
• One out of Britain and Prussia/Germany has to be in (my money would be on Prussia)
• If there is a modern civ in COTW, it has to be the one of the above which is not in the base game ( I would actually bet that COTW will not contain a modern civ)
• Russia is almost certainly in

There is a tiny chance that Russia is out and both Britain an Germany/Prussia are in, but I think there is quite some evidence against that.

As someone who was really hoping for Ottomans to be one of the final two civs, this completely shatters my dreams. I think we can be practically certain now that the final two civs are Russia and Prussia/Germany. It does feel kindof weird to me considering how many sacrifices they made before for diversity and now in the Modern era we're getting 3 European civs (+Americans) and no Middle East representation. I guess since we don't have Britain they wanted another industrial civ in Europe for the 'industrial revolution age'? Still I have to admit I'm a little miffed, but oh well I guess we'll just have to wait for DLC to have a reasonable continuation for the Abbasids

 

[Zaarin]

As someone who was really hoping for Ottomans to be one of the final two civs, this completely shatters my dreams. I think we can be practically certain now that the final two civs are Russia and Prussia/Germany. It does feel kindof weird to me considering how many sacrifices they made before for diversity and now in the Modern era we're getting 3 European civs (+Americans) and no Middle East representation. I guess since we don't have Britain they wanted another industrial civ in Europe for the 'industrial revolution age'? Still I have to admit I'm a little miffed, but oh well I guess we'll just have to wait for DLC to have a reasonable continuation for the Abbasids

I think they're classifying Russia as North Asian as a capstone for Persia > Mongolia and Mughals as Middle Eastern/Central Asian. Not endorsing either of those views personally, but I think that's their reasoning.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I think they're classifying Russia as North Asian as a capstone for Persia > Mongolia and Mughals as Middle Eastern/Central Asian. Not endorsing either of those views personally, but I think that's their reasoning.

Historically Russia has been identified as either European or Asian depending entirely on the political/nationalistic point the identifier was trying to make.

Civ's points are game rather than political, but they are joining a long tradition in aligning states according to immediate need rather than any historical reality.

- especially when the "historical reality is debatable in the first place.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I think they're classifying Russia as North Asian as a capstone for Persia > Mongolia and Mughals as Middle Eastern/Central Asian. Not endorsing either of those views personally, but I think that's their reasoning.

Catherine will be the European part.

 

[Kwami]

Y'all are saying that England/Britain aren't in, but the chart in the first post shows them as confirmed. Which is it?

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

Y'all are saying that England/Britain aren't in, but the chart in the first post shows them as confirmed. Which is it?

There's debate on whether a specific interview directly confirmed Britain or whether it was simply a hypothetical. At the time, it was put on the spreadsheet as confirmed, and it hasn't been changed to reflect that information coming into question.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Y'all are saying that England/Britain aren't in, but the chart in the first post shows them as confirmed. Which is it?

Depends on who you ask. We aren't a monolith

 

[Kwami]

Depends on who you ask. We aren't a monolith

OK, but "confirmed" is a rather binary concept here. It's either confirmed or it isn't.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

OK, but "confirmed" is a rather binary concept here. It's either confirmed or it isn't.

certainly not confirmed

 

[notNamed]

Historically Russia has been identified as either European or Asian depending entirely on the political/nationalistic point the identifier was trying to make.

Sure, by Europeans. No one in the Central Asia, Middle East or East Asia ever held any aspirations to seeing those guys as one of their own.
And for context, this line could be pushed as far as Netherlands (seeing Germany and France as not European/the other).

Spoiler You all have a good hunch who's getting quoted next, right? :

We can certainly discuss how the various imagined groupings interacted with each other (Mesopotamia is undeniably European, according to certain lines of thought from the era) but if we're making a game for a global audience you just cannot equate Russia with anything but Europe. In the context of a Phillipino, Thai, Indian, Egyptian, Finnish, Brazilian, Mexican, Korean,... player, these guys are and always will be Europeans. Europeans that most other modern Europeans want nothing to do with but still Europeans.