Clown Car V: 2020 version!

[Cloud_Strife]

You realize that a Republican majority in the Senate will mean nothing gets done tho right?

Centrists.

 

[mitsho]

You realize that a Republican majority in the Senate will mean nothing gets done tho right?

It seems like the American system only allows for "total dry-up" or "open the floodgates" with nothing in between. I find that... less than ideal.

 

[Ironsided]

No, the American system, much like a “liberal” Macronian EU styled system (if he could have his granny shagging ways with it) would acts like this: You have conservative forces with room for the most outlandish draconian idiots imaginable to speak their mind freely. You then have a liberal alternative gaslighting people into believing they provide an alternative to madness. So, you elect the liberals only to see them be the ones putting a watered down version of the madness into effect and law. Something the conservatives could not even do when they were in power. So, the people see Macrons new security law proposal be condemned by the UN and they vote conservative again and round and round the centrists go making things worse for everyone by the minute. In his own mind the centrist is of course very clever to not fall too far outside the neoliberal hivemind. We in the EU are not immune to this liberal garbage.

 

[Colonel]

You realize that a Republican majority in the Senate will mean nothing gets done tho right?

President-Elect Biden and McConnell have a long history and as much as I loathe McConnell's inaction over the past four years to stop the nonsense with President Trump I atleast understand it was a power move to retain his voting base. In addition in some odd way I could say that McConnell was upholding his oath in at-least one specific way, as a majority of his electorate seem to approve of his job.

As much as I respect former President Obama, he was a polarizing figure if for no other reason that closeted racists in the Republican party couldn't stand having a black man in the office. The point to this being that even during the Obama Administration and as much as Republicans hated the President they were willing to work with President-Elect Biden as VP. Some landmark legislation was passed even with Republicans in the majority. This alone is a testament to his steadfast governing ability, he will carry the nation from the horrendous pit that the current President has placed us, back to, as Republican's like to say, America being the shining city on a hill.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Daca: Judge orders Trump to restore undocumented immigrants scheme

A US judge has ordered the Trump administration to fully reinstate a scheme that protects immigrants brought to the country illegally as children from being deported.

The administration had moved to close the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (Daca) programme to new applicants earlier this year.

But District Judge Nicholas Garaufis on Friday ruled against the restrictions.

He told the administration to announce the full resumption of Daca by Monday.

The Daca programme was introduced by former Democratic President Barack Obama in 2012.

He set it up to help some of the more than 10 million immigrants who as young people entered the US illegally or overstayed a visa.

• Trump: 'I have great love' for Daca Dreamers
• 'Daca means continuing to live the American dream'

Most of the children protected by the Daca programme are from Mexico and other Latin American countries. These migrants are known as "Dreamers".

The scheme protected an estimated 700,000 people, offering temporary permits for work and study.

But as part of his efforts to curb immigration, US President Donald Trump sought to end the programme in 2017, calling it unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court took up the case after lower courts ruled the administration did not adequately explain why it was ending the programme, criticising the White House's "capricious" explanations.

In June this year, the Supreme Court upheld lower court rulings that found Mr Trump's move to rescind Daca was "unlawful".

Despite this ruling, the Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf issued a memo to limit the programme to those who were already enrolled.

Now Judge Garaufis of the US District Court in Brooklyn has ruled that Mr Wolf was not acting within his legal authority and that the scheme should resume.


The Center for American Progress, a think tank, said more than 300,000 new applicants could now be eligible for Daca.

"This is a really big day for Daca recipients and immigrant young people," Karen Tumlin, director of the Justice Action Center, told AFP news agency.

Democratic President-elect Joe Biden, who takes office on 20 January, has said he plans to revitalise Daca.

His campaign said he will try to legislate to give a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants living in the US, although such a move would need to be approved by Congress.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55200208

 

[El_Machinae]

It seems like the American system only allows for "total dry-up" or "open the floodgates" with nothing in between. I find that... less than ideal.

Well, stuff still happens. It's 'intended' to require broad consensus to get stuff done. And stuff still gets one. Just much less.

Originally, the idea was that 'preventing the government from over-reaching' would be useful. And I guess it is, but the same mechanism prevents necessary action OR actions where a non-compromise solution is going to be better than any compromise solution.

 

[Lexicus]

As much as I respect former President Obama, he was a polarizing figure if for no other reason that closeted racists in the Republican party couldn't stand having a black man in the office. The point to this being that even during the Obama Administration and as much as Republicans hated the President they were willing to work with President-Elect Biden as VP. Some landmark legislation was passed even with Republicans in the majority. This alone is a testament to his steadfast governing ability, he will carry the nation from the horrendous pit that the current President has placed us, back to, as Republican's like to say, America being the shining city on a hill.

His cabinet picks don't fill me with optimism.

 

[Ajidica]

His cabinet picks don't fill me with optimism.

Apart from State I've found them all fine.
Not like any Geithners or Summers have snuck in.

 

[El_Machinae]

I'm not having any optimism about Biden's staff picks until Trump has been actually removed from office.

 

[Takhisis]

President-Elect Biden and McConnell have a long history and as much as I loathe McConnell's inaction over the past four years to stop the nonsense with President Trump I atleast understand it was a power move to retain his voting base.
(…)
As much as I respect former President Obama, he was a polarizing figure if for no other reason that closeted racists in the Republican party couldn't stand having a black man in the office.

Do we really want to appease such a voter base? Because if the price is to obviate the black man because he is, well, black-skinned and of Black race, then we should just appease them by throwing workers under the bus for the sake of the Kochs, Bezos, etc. of this world because obviously we need their campaign donations.

That way madness lies.

 

[Zardnaar]

Do we really want to appease such a voter base? Because if the price is to obviate the black man because he is, well, black-skinned and of Black race, then we should just appease them by throwing workers under the bus for the sake of the Kochs, Bezos, etc. of this world because obviously we need their campaign donations.

That way madness lies.

Not what they're saying. They have to appease their own voters though.

To win you still have to convince enough people to go along with what you want.

 

[Takhisis]

But those people will only ‘go along’ with what they want, e.g a return to the 1850s.

 

[Zardnaar]

But those people will only ‘go along’ with what they want, e.g a return to the 1850s.

Perhaps but if the majority want that that's how the society will be run.

Most people don't want a return to the 1850's but most people aren't progressives either. At least how CFC defines a progressive.

 

[Ironsided]

Seems to me most Americans want back to the 50s and 60s. With a growing middleclass, sprawling suburbs and ever growing tangible prosperity and wealth in real life connected areas. Less working hours, more fairly distributed earnings and compensation, less worries with increasing social security. A functional healthcare system. You know when America had social policies for everyone. When FDR could propose social democratic policy without the entire might of the unionised and social welfare funded corporate elites smear him to kingdom come. Sure, they tried but were not yet as mighty and all ruling. When a communal effort like a stadium, park, church, or library was a pride of everyone in that community. Not sponsored by Dick Law or Coca-Cola and covered in graffiti, because who cares.

 

[Zardnaar]

Seems to me most Americans want back to the 50s and 60s. With a growing middleclass, sprawling suburbs and ever growing tangible prosperity and wealth in real life connected areas. Less working hours, more fairly distributed earnings and compensation, less worries with increasing social security. A functional healthcare system. You know when America had social policies for everyone. When FDR could propose social democratic policy without the entire might of the unionised and social welfare funded corporate elites smear him to kingdom come. Sure, they tried but were not yet as mighty and all ruling. When a communal effort like a stadium, park, church, or library was a pride of everyone in that community. Not sponsored by Dick Law or Coca-Cola and covered in graffiti, because who cares.

I think people may want the ideal of it or cherry pick the good bits.

Population of the world was a lot smaller and around 600-700 million got to participate because of the cold war.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Seems to me most Americans want back to the 50s and 60s. With a growing middleclass, sprawling suburbs and ever growing tangible prosperity and wealth in real life connected areas. Less working hours, more fairly distributed earnings and compensation, less worries with increasing social security. A functional healthcare system. You know when America had social policies for everyone. When FDR could propose social democratic policy without the entire might of the unionised and social welfare funded corporate elites smear him to kingdom come. Sure, they tried but were not yet as mighty and all ruling. When a communal effort like a stadium, park, church, or library was a pride of everyone in that community. Not sponsored by Dick Law or Coca-Cola and covered in graffiti, because who cares.

And minorities and women knew their place, yeh, it was wonderful for everyone back then.

 

[AmazonQueen]

"If I lost I'd be a very gracious loser."
D. Trump, Georgia, 05/12/20.

 

[Ironsided]

Minorities and women’s rights made more progress than ever before in the wake of this more social democratic period. The new Democratic party neoliberalism mixed with identity politics has made less progress, more enemies.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Minorities and women’s rights made more progress than ever before in the wake of this more social democratic period. The new Democratic party neoliberalism mixed with identity politics has made less progress, more enemies.

But resisted by the social-democratic establishment in unions and political parties.
Its the new conservativism, looking back to the social-democratic Golden Age that wasn't quite like that, practiced by those who weren't around to experience it.

 

[Wastl]

President-Elect Biden and McConnell have a long history

Not really no. There is no connection between them beyond that they both were in the senate at the same time for quite some time.

There were some bogus statements of the two being close or even being friends, but that wasn't true at all. Even Obama pointed out that there was absolutely nothing to it.