[RD] Could our posts here endanger us in the far future?

We have a husky who gets absolutely embittered on weekend nights when we don't go to bed at the designated normal time.
Maddy likes to sleep where she can wash my face and purr into my ear. It's not a problem since she doesn't weigh much, but once in awhile I'll get a whisker up my nose (which hurts; they're actually sharp). I hope your dog is a bit more considerate.

Nearly 16 years ago I had an elderly cat named Lightning, who lived to be about 17.5. During her last couple of weeks, she would sleep on my chest, where she felt safe and warm and could feel my heart beating. I could feel hers, too, and she trusted me utterly. It's a humbling feeling.
 
Maddy likes to sleep where she can wash my face and purr into my ear. It's not a problem since she doesn't weigh much, but once in awhile I'll get a whisker up my nose (which hurts; they're actually sharp). I hope your dog is a bit more considerate.

Nearly 16 years ago I had an elderly cat named Lightning, who lived to be about 17.5. During her last couple of weeks, she would sleep on my chest, where she felt safe and warm and could feel my heart beating. I could feel hers, too, and she trusted me utterly. It's a humbling feeling.

She sprawls across the bed actively trying to take up the whole thing until my gf is actually ready to get in bed, then she curls up in my gf's spot and refuses to move. When I get called in and give orders she gets up and sulkily moves to my side of the bed until I'm ready to get into bed. I just lift the sheets and push underneath her, leading to another sulk and move to the floor. Then as soon as she figures we're close enough to sleeping that we won't notice she goes out to the living room and sleeps on the couch. She is, in a word, a brat.
 
damn tablet has ads that will no doubt lead to some discussion about Christian theology and stuff , one would have thought the sites would be banned already by the mighty all powerful New Turkey . And ı don't know if ı would like them banned , now planning to steal your soul might not fit with stealing your bandwidth for stuff , for some reason , as other sites would naturally be advertised instead . A few stuff in this country on how they have apps on smart phones that give you the alarm when you approach anyone with the corona , hinting such control could "save lives" . ı start the mornings with opening the TV , for like half an hour at most and some woman "asks" the guest if there had been a SARS vaccine , the cure for this one would be much easier and faster , which was stopped at a very advanced point ... When this gets broken and people return to making movies , expect 4 or 10 Hollywood blockbusters on how some evil cabal tries to take over the world with an engineered illness . ı expect none of them to explain the issues in hypersonic combat ... And oh my , nobody has solved anything in that field since 2019 ended and oh my , how boring it is to troll the world with the stupid question of who owns Incom .

oh wait , when the goalposts move , the plot will be it happened because the reptiles wanted to show the Humanity how great a danger they would be , if the reptiles got some Incom attention , like humans lording over humans through 1984ish techs enabled . ı didn't eat any CFC member yet , did ı ?

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This still brings up the question of how they plan to check on people and locate them without cell/smart phones. I don't own one, and don't even know how to use one (yes, seriously; I grew up in an era when rural areas had party lines and the phones were heavy, clunky things with rotary dials and you had no way of knowing who was calling until you answered - actually I still don't, because my landline doesn't have either an answering machine or caller ID).

It's a very good and handy tracking device, if it's for a close surveillance for adorable creature like cat, it will be a kind of collar that we put to their neck that has a gps tracker and camera that can draw pattern of her daily and nighty activity, but Valka the different is this is not for our furry adorably gorgeous friend, but it is for over 50 percent of its Nation population.

Here most people, even one that suffer from poverty, can buy cell-phone, if one doesn't use it it's mostly not because they cannot afford the phone, actually the people that I know that doesn't use smart phone are some of the most powerful and well off people I know, the reason they don't use phone is because the "inconvenient" reason. So if the government surveillance over its citizen get accepted now, in the very near future, rest assure, they will have the ability to observe almost all the citizen within the nation like watching a giant aquarium, our life will feel like living within a panopticon prison.
 
no , because it ticks and tocks and it will crash on their own heads . ı know everybody laughs at me , ı know each and everyone out there knows what ı do better than me , but guess what , nobody would like the same treatment . All that tech will disappear , when all those brilliant people lose power . Silly talk , true , but like am alive , right ?
 
no , because it ticks and tocks and it will crash on their own heads . ı know everybody laughs at me , ı know each and everyone out there knows what ı do better than me , but guess what , nobody would like the same treatment . All that tech will disappear , when all those brilliant people lose power . Silly talk , true , but like am alive , right ?

It seems you making a very good and interesting point here bro, I feel it, but I cannot comprehend it.
 
people will kick the tyrants' backside , with extra planetary support if necessary .
 
people will kick the tyrants' backside , with extra planetary support if necessary .

Good brother, you know it's not that easy? The government own apparatus that carries weapon, when the masses march, either empty handed or with molotov, they just have to run you over with their tanks if it is necessary, and its happened. It's never that easy, when you chose the wrong people, sometime you just have to eat the consequences that you make, and be full with it, luckily not for the rest of your life.
 
It's a very good and handy tracking device, if it's for a close surveillance for adorable creature like cat, it will be a kind of collar that we put to their neck that has a gps tracker and camera that can draw pattern of her daily and nighty activity, but Valka the different is this is not for our furry adorably gorgeous friend, but it is for over 50 percent of its Nation population.
Why are you assuming I was talking about cats? I never let Maddy out of the apartment, so while I don't always know where she is, I just have to call her or rattle her food container and she'll come.

Here most people, even one that suffer from poverty, can buy cell-phone, if one doesn't use it it's mostly not because they cannot afford the phone, actually the people that I know that doesn't use smart phone are some of the most powerful and well off people I know, the reason they don't use phone is because the "inconvenient" reason. So if the government surveillance over its citizen get accepted now, in the very near future, rest assure, they will have the ability to observe almost all the citizen within the nation like watching a giant aquarium, our life will feel like living within a panopticon prison.
That's nice. The telecoms here are more than a little predatory, and the only reason I've been able to afford cable and internet these past few years is because of a deal I have with the company that owns the building I live in. There are 120 suites in this building and most of us have accounts with the same telecom. That means many customers in a small area, and so the company was able to get a deal and pass the savings on to us.

That doesn't extend to phones, though. I'm 100% responsible for whatever phone expenses I have, and I've had to stick to the basics. Cell phones are out of the question, though I guess I'll have to bite the bullet soon. More and more companies and agencies just assume everyone has one, so they are making it hard or impossible for those who don't have one.
 
Power is maintained more by social custom, repetition and fear of deviating into the unknown than by surveillance and repression. Repression is costly and depends on the work of a large number of people doing the repressing. It's inefficient. Foucault didn't discover anything new except to himself and the young people who at the time followed him.

If it wasn't anything new, it wouldn't have been extremely controversial. Clearly for some people it forced a knee-jerk reaction, for others it was eye-opening. Still, much as I like him, as I've stated earlier ITT I think we've actually surpassed the disciplinary model a long time ago. D&P was, after all, a historical book, concerned with the history of the prison.

Our contemporary society is much better explained by a model of voluntary/incentivized oppression, incremental power, self-sustaining mechanisms, than by oldschool discipline or surveillance.
 
Why are you assuming I was talking about cats? I never let Maddy out of the apartment, so while I don't always know where she is, I just have to call her or rattle her food container and she'll come.

Lol noo I was just using cat as an analogy, putting a collar on a cat is similar with carrying smart-phone and walk-around. Good Valka please don't let her out, because the chance that she's out and will never head back is quite high.

That doesn't extend to phones, though. I'm 100% responsible for whatever phone expenses I have, and I've had to stick to the basics. Cell phones are out of the question, though I guess I'll have to bite the bullet soon. More and more companies and agencies just assume everyone has one, so they are making it hard or impossible for those who don't have one.

Whatsapp is turned to be a necessity, if you decide to buy it, turn off the location detection button, it is required for many things one of it is for online taxi services like Uber, but that is also the culprit that keep tracking your activity.
 
Our contemporary society is much better explained by a model of voluntary/incentivized oppression, incremental power, self-sustaining mechanisms, than by oldschool discipline or surveillance.

Foucault, to his credit, was the first to gain notoriety in bringing the elements of discipline through social norms into attention. But I thing he was more a product of the time than a maker of the time. The typical case of the intellectual who lucks out in publishing his books at the perfect time for them to be well received! Also, the man was half-crazy over his anger at not getting his sexual fetishes out - he'd still be very contemporaneous today, though hardly unique now :lol: My point is, he was too angry, too pessimistic, about society. And fed into the general cynicism of the 1970s, which imo was the most destructive social force in the second half of the 20th century.
 
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living in a country where the repression in full was just about to be achieved , Congregation stories are endless . Well , there would be those who would argue the eventual result is not much different , but people would have to live here to see it is not exactly so .

and the world is really interconnected . And there is no point in arguing letting or not letting a Goverment systems of observation and the lot , because if you are some "interesting" person , nobody will need laws or court orders . So many ways to work around laws , even in "advanced" countries . And ı have no fear of falling in with wrong people , because ı neither start some rebellion nor ı need anyone to rebel in my name . Will not let anyone to be crushed under tank tracks , now that Americans have passed so many chances to let theirs or the ones belonging to their "allies" to try that . r16 talks silly , but the point is there is the odd reason that there are so many people who are having org_sms non-stop with their owners plotting . Say , a crisis that only kills the old and it can be only fought by people accepting 1984 in its various guises . Oh-kay , if the elites are so smart and are so powerful , why don't they just unite , China to America , North and South , East and West and declare things have changed ? Like it's impossible for any possibility for the meme that lizards rule the world ; and what if this was an enemy invention , that the powerful will run , leaving their tail behind ?

well , we are all stuck at home and those who can must do something . Like no point in bothering , will not do and how about saving some face and political power , with ı don't know , by suddenly discovering the cure ?
 
oh , and they begin the talk ... Someguy named Gordon Browne , and ı seem to remember he was a Prime Minister in the UK and most probably a Leftie one , too . Asking for a temporary world goverment ...

and yeah , good news that the Norwegians and Russians have joined those who have found the cure . Too much TV is dangerous to brain , am ı right ?
 
oh , and they begin the talk ... Someguy named Gordon Browne , and ı seem to remember he was a Prime Minister in the UK and most probably a Leftie one , too . Asking for a temporary world goverment ...

and yeah , good news that the Norwegians and Russians have joined those who have found the cure . Too much TV is dangerous to brain , am ı right ?

You are rarely wrong captain!
 
If you've read this Twitter thread on just how much information companies like Google and Facebook keep on you, and I strongly advise that you do, then you might understand just why I'm making this thread. You're handing over a complete record of everything you do, everywhere you go, and what you think about to private companies. Locations, purchases, Google searches, your entire life.

So, let's say an totalitarian regime comes to power in an area that is currently considered to be democratic in the year 2020. Is that so hard to believe? Look at 1900 vs 1920. Then 1920 vs 1940. 1940 vs 1960. 1960 vs 1980. 1980 vs 2000. No one ever imagined accurately how things would be after a mere two decades; are we arrogant enough to believe that things have finally settled down into a stable configuration? The predictions of Clinton's era did not describe what 2020 would be like, and I suspect we don't have a much better grasp of 2040. It is not inconceivable that a DPRK-style regime will arise in Europe or North America within the lifetime of a young person like me.

And there is an ominous trend - twentieth-century authoritarian states arguably lost because they were less efficient than democratic, market-driven societies. With the ability to access such complete information on every one of its citizens' needs, opinions, or desires, that disadvantage might disappear or reverse itself entirely. Vast databases will concentrate power into the hands of those with the resources to gather the data (let me remind you that potential threats are being flagged today by algorithms based on not even actions, but general patterns of behavior).

Does a dictatorship really care whether someone is innocent or guilty? They only need to remove the threat to themselves, and I don't see why it would matter if that threat was a statistical one. If an old man posted something political that the regime didn't like back when he was young, well, the algorithm says he is likely to not have changed his views. Let's arrest him and his entire family. I have no doubt that CFC will be included in an internet trawl, and that its users could be traced back to their real identities by a malicious government.

So yeah, this is worrying right now with all of the legal protections and rights you currently have. But the data is there, stored permanently, and it only takes a change of legality to give the secret police access to it. Are you confident that no such change will ever take place?

The second-best-case scenario, I think, would be a dictatorship that ruled the entire world and didn't care about anything but stability. Without competition or any ideological vision, it might leave general society alone, monopolize data-gathering and only act to crush disruptors.

The best-case scenario would be a traditionalist revival that abhorred technology. The Amish double their numbers every twenty years, but that won't even begin mattering until the twenty-second century. My hope is that the ocean of misery the internet has already caused will drive people into their arms, or to form new pro-natal religious communities.

My personal advice is to move to a remote, isolated location where a government may be less likely to see you as a threat and less worth its time to conscript/indoctrinate. And never use anything that stores information or connects to the internet again.

Thank-you for that tidbit, Emmanuel Goldstein. I'm sure you'll have well-earned the "three minutes of hate," we're forced to watch about you on government-controlled-media everyday when this supposed tyranny rises. :rolleyes:
 
the head of the UN speaks , asking for the 10% of the global GNP . Now the world apparently makes 80 trillion dollars a year , with ten times that amount in fake money like stockmarket stuff . Of that apparently 1.8 trillions goes to defence , 200 billions to preventive medicine and a full 8 trillions to treatment , like hospital costs and drugs and tomographic scans . Wait , you noticed that 10% equals 8 trillions ? That no point in defence when viruses can kill us all ? So cool that some fat cat decided he could end up skinned or something so he asked some other person to say it ... Well played , New World Order people ! No doubt when they are staring at the box of vaccine on their desk , having heard it was concocted at 15 days flat , having heard there are entire warehouses waiting . Why , to be seized even . So that they respond with waiting the virus mutate naturally so that they will all go waste by the next year , because they would need a month to come up with a new wonder weapon of the type , with stuff not in "their" catalogues . Talk big of ventilators , so that people will hate the callous non-lizards , talk how you gotta attach two to a machine . When you hear the wheels turning , oh , it is dangerous , one patient one machine ! Trust Boris Johnson stop some Brits from doing ventilators because how there can be famine if there is food ? Except even with today being April Fools Day , ı notice at least two people in the relevant thread have relatives with the virus and at least two are in the frontlines as in working in hospitals . They would fail to appreciate the joke .

two immediate concerns of self preservation though , right away ... Not talking bad of Guterres ! And would really expect to be accused of helping everyone but the locals , because those doing the translation still have no clue on what's happening or what they are doing . Locals , just give up following , you will feel much better .
 
just an hour ago ı hear Gordon Browne is back , with so many big names , including Kemal Derviş , world famous for destroying the economy once ... They call on the world leaders to create a fund to help people ... You know , of 8 billions . 1/1000 , so cool of them to help the poor ... After reminding one third of countries can do nothing to protect their citizens ....
 
If you've read this Twitter thread on just how much information companies like Google and Facebook keep on you, and I strongly advise that you do, then you might understand just why I'm making this thread. You're handing over a complete record of everything you do, everywhere you go, and what you think about to private companies. Locations, purchases, Google searches, your entire life.

So, let's say an totalitarian regime comes to power in an area that is currently considered to be democratic in the year 2020. Is that so hard to believe? Look at 1900 vs 1920. Then 1920 vs 1940. 1940 vs 1960. 1960 vs 1980. 1980 vs 2000. No one ever imagined accurately how things would be after a mere two decades; are we arrogant enough to believe that things have finally settled down into a stable configuration? The predictions of Clinton's era did not describe what 2020 would be like, and I suspect we don't have a much better grasp of 2040. It is not inconceivable that a DPRK-style regime will arise in Europe or North America within the lifetime of a young person like me.

And there is an ominous trend - twentieth-century authoritarian states arguably lost because they were less efficient than democratic, market-driven societies. With the ability to access such complete information on every one of its citizens' needs, opinions, or desires, that disadvantage might disappear or reverse itself entirely. Vast databases will concentrate power into the hands of those with the resources to gather the data (let me remind you that potential threats are being flagged today by algorithms based on not even actions, but general patterns of behavior).

Does a dictatorship really care whether someone is innocent or guilty? They only need to remove the threat to themselves, and I don't see why it would matter if that threat was a statistical one. If an old man posted something political that the regime didn't like back when he was young, well, the algorithm says he is likely to not have changed his views. Let's arrest him and his entire family. I have no doubt that CFC will be included in an internet trawl, and that its users could be traced back to their real identities by a malicious government.

So yeah, this is worrying right now with all of the legal protections and rights you currently have. But the data is there, stored permanently, and it only takes a change of legality to give the secret police access to it. Are you confident that no such change will ever take place?

The second-best-case scenario, I think, would be a dictatorship that ruled the entire world and didn't care about anything but stability. Without competition or any ideological vision, it might leave general society alone, monopolize data-gathering and only act to crush disruptors.

The best-case scenario would be a traditionalist revival that abhorred technology. The Amish double their numbers every twenty years, but that won't even begin mattering until the twenty-second century. My hope is that the ocean of misery the internet has already caused will drive people into their arms, or to form new pro-natal religious communities.

My personal advice is to move to a remote, isolated location where a government may be less likely to see you as a threat and less worth its time to conscript/indoctrinate. And never use anything that stores information or connects to the internet again.

The dark light of a perverted science has always threatened to entrench a boot stamping on humanities' face forever.

That is what the 2nd amendment is for.

So what if all my info becomes public?
The truth is the truth.
Slime rolls right off Trump; I'll just call it fake news.

People who get pushed push back.
Nobody lives forever, even supreme leaders die of old age.

There has never been 1 world government and there never will be.
Robots and universal basic income will break the Euro even if nothing else does.

Yes, posting on CFC now might be dangerous in the future.
That is why it is worth doing.
 
This line of reasoning makes no sense. If a fascist government hates you, it's because of what you do or what you are, and since they're fascist, they can simply declare that that thing is illegal. Voila! No excuses necessary.
 
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