[RD] Daily Graphs and Charts

[cybrxkhan]

He's quite sinister looking at that innocent, pure white blonde woman, I gotta say. I mean, her clothing is white, for goodness sake, can't get purer than that.

 

[Arwon]

On the other hand there wouldn't be too many Commonwealth realms which even acknowledge prior occupancy like that...

 

[Masada]

It's just a name, thankfully. Amusingly the ACT has the white swan on the sinister side and the black swan on the dexter while the Victorian one has a sinister white women:

On the other hand there wouldn't be too many Commonwealth realms which even acknowledge prior occupancy like that...

Yeah, Australian states and the Commonwealth don't

 

[Tee Kay]

It's just a name, thankfully. Amusingly the ACT has the white swan on the sinister side and the black swan on the dexter while the Victorian one has a sinister white women:

Oh, of course the left-wing one is sinister.

 

[IIHAAETTEAAHII]

why, that took me a few moments to figure out that sinister meant right-hand.

 

[Borachio]

Eh? Sinister means left-hand, in fact. Right-hand, "as you look at it".

(Took me a few moments to work out you knew this, already.)

 

[Domen]

Change in global population (in millions) between 1938 and 2013 (75 years, or 3 generations):

Continent -------------- population 1938 ---- population 2013 --- (percent increase)

Asia ---------------------------- 1144.6 --------- 4298.7 ------------ (+ 276%)
Europe -------------------------- 529.0 ---------- 742.5 ------------- (+ 40%)
Americas ------------------------ 263.8 ---------- 972.0 ------------- (+ 268%)
Africa --------------------------- 148.2 ---------- 1110.6 ------------ (+ 649%)
Oceania ------------------------- 10.5 ----------- 38.3 -------------- (+ 265%)

Total --------------------------- 2096.1 --------- 7162.1 ------------- (+ 242%)

 

[cybrxkhan]

Hmm. Africa really exploded, though I'm not surprised, but I'm a bit surprised that Asia's growth isn't that large compared to Africa.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

it was in fact. over 3000 millions more for Asia vs less than 1000 for Africa

 

[cybrxkhan]

it was in fact. over 3000 millions more for Asia vs less than 1000 for Africa

A sorry I was talking in terms of percent increase.

Though thinking about it again it makes sense.

 

[Takhisis]

Not so surprising, you're lumping in Siberia and the Middle East with 'Asia' instead of just the overpopualted China and India.

 

[Yoda Power]

African population growth has been huge. And still is btw. It's probably one of the most serious issues globally that's not really being dealt with.

 

[Borachio]

Is it really such a problem? Africa is a very big continent, and it's potential for agriculture still underdeveloped.

Of course, population growth is likely to be at the expense of the wildlife, but why should Africa not follow the rest of the world?

 

[Yoda Power]

It is such a problem exactly because African agriculture is so underdeveloped. That was pretty much my point. Hence it should be dealt with.

Africa can potentially support a much larger population, but it's not sustainable right now.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Of course, population growth is likely to be at the expense of the wildlife, but why should Africa not follow the rest of the world?

Yea, why learn from the mistakes of others when you can make the same mistakes yourself and THEN learn from them.

 

[IIHAAETTEAAHII]

Not so surprising, you're lumping in Siberia and the Middle East with 'Asia' instead of just the overpopualted China and India.

completely incorrect. china's population growth percent increase in that period was 164% in said period while india's population growth percent increase was 224%, both significantly lower than the total asian increase. as opposed to syria whose population growth is in the 900% ballpark and which still lies in the middle east if i recall correctly.

Is it really such a problem? Africa is a very big continent, and it's potential for agriculture still underdeveloped.

Of course, population growth is likely to be at the expense of the wildlife, but why should Africa not follow the rest of the world?

1 a) most of the agriculture is heavily relying on NH3, pesticides and herbicides which require large amounts of energy or resources to produce; this apparent underdevelopment you are talking about partially consists of not using these products.

1 b) those products create pollution and heavy usage is not desirable.

2) large population growth leads to large young, unemployed populations and therefore to chronic instability in the region. unless said portion of the population is kept in check by wars and epidemics, which it usually is partially.

3) 'development' in agriculture today usually implies replacement of local techniques by large monocultures of commercialized crops such as wheat and maize. this increases the susceptibility to a global blight targetted at one of these crops leading to global famine.

4) higher population combined with bad healthcare greatly reinforces epidemics and pandemics.

 

[El_Machinae]

Hmmmn, I think the American babyboomer's parents had lots of siblings. The Baby Boomers when with 2.3 children, and then it dropped off from there. We expect that trend to continue elsewhere.

The African population explosion is only problematic due to the concomitant poverty. While a poor populace is very environmentally destructive locally, it doesn't really spread out of their borders. But the levels of suffering can be really high.

 

[Masada]

I'm not sure that China's low population growth in the reference period is something to write home about given that China's population quadrupled under the Manju. Southeast Asia's population barely increased over the same period with most of the change occuring at the end.

Hmmmn, I think the American babyboomer's parents had lots of siblings. The Baby Boomers when with 2.3 children, and then it dropped off from there. We expect that trend to continue elsewhere.

That's, well, happened across pretty much the entire world. East Asia, collectively, is now below replacement.

 

[madviking]

makes sense

 

[Domen]

How French perceptions of importance of the USSR / the USA / Britain in Allied victory in WW2 changed over time:

http://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/sondage-nation-contribue-defaite-nazis.jpg

In May 1945:

- 57% of French responders considered Russian / Soviet contribution to victory over Nazi Germany the most important one.
- 20%, American
- 12%, British

In May 1944:

- 25% Soviet
- 49% American
- 16% British

In June 2004:

- 20% Soviet
- 58% American
- 16% British

Spoiler :

This illustrates what brainwashing by Hollywood war movies and Cold War propaganda did to common people.

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When it comes to population 1938 / 2013:

Is it really such a problem? Africa is a very big continent, and it's potential for agriculture still underdeveloped.

I'm actually surprised that Africa's GDP per capita is still incrising (is it?), considering that number of people there is growing so fast.

It is a very underdeveloped continent in terms of infrastructure, technology, etc. What is better - increasing human capital first, or modernizing first?

I was under the impression that Africa is increasing its human capital much faster than it can adjust its infrastructure, technology, etc. to standards allowing sustenance of its growing population. If I remember correctly in some thread Winner posted data on Nigeria and its growing imports of food.

Anyway - another conclusion from that 1938 / 2013 comparison is that overpopulation is not the problem of Europe.

In Europe actually our recent problem is decreasing population. Some people can't see this and still talk about "the need to reduce population growth".

Of course these people should go to Africa and tell this there, to reduce population growth and slow down the spread of HIV.