[RD] Daily Graphs and Charts

[Monsterzuma]

I'm actually surprised that Africa's GDP per capita is still incrising (is it?), considering that number of people there is growing so fast.

not hard to rise from a dreadfully low base.

also population growth is generally of a lower magnitude than gdp growth. 1% annual population growth in a western country would be very high, whereas 2% annual real GDP growth is kinda normal.

and if you're talking about nominal GDP per capita, it includes inflation. then rates from 4 to 10% aren't even a rarity.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Why are you reposting that? Also, let's not mention, that from a French view of point, it was the Americans who organized and finalized the Normandy operation (and the British and some other allied countries, although a naval invasion was Stalin's idea), and again, a large part of the North African campaign was fought by the Americans and the British, which culminated into the invasion of Italy.

 

[Traitorfish]

That's, well, happened across pretty much the entire world. East Asia, collectively, is now below replacement.

It's interesting that China's one-child policy doesn't make a mark on the graph. You'd expect that its introduction in 1979 would coincide with a drop in East Asian fertility rates, but the graph actually levels out at that point after a steep decline and stays steady into the late 1980s. I know that the actual strictness of the policy tends to be exaggerated, and that there are all sorts of exceptions for rural families, ethnic minorities, etc., but it's curious that as far as this graph is concerned, the policy seems not to exist. Is there some possible explanation for this, perhaps that the policy was not consistently enforced and/or adhered to during its first decade? Or maybe the opposite, that a de facto version of the policy was in place before it became official at a national level?

 

[Pangur Bán]

Fascinating graph, Domen.

But, wow .... 255 pages? Maybe time for a new thread?

 

[Borachio]

In Europe actually our recent problem is decreasing population. Some people can't see this and still talk about "the need to reduce population growth".

Of course these people should go to Africa and tell this there, to reduce population growth and slow down the spread of HIV.

I heard recently that population growth in the UK is the highest in Europe. Mainly due to immigration and a higher birth rate amongst newly arrived immigrants.

Most of the UK immigration is, of course, from Europe itself, but why not encourage immigration from elsewhere too?

I think it's a good sign when people actively want to come to your country. And a poor sign when no-one wants to.

By favouring health-care immigrants we not only find a ready source of workers (to take care of an ever-aging native population), they're also often enough ready trained. Which nicely disadvantages their host countries. Though such workers will also tend to send remittances home, nicely advantaging their host countries too.

It's swings and roundabouts all the way; in the C21st playground that is the UK.

 

[IIHAAETTEAAHII]

I heard recently that population growth in the UK is the highest in Europe. Mainly due to immigration and a higher birth rate amongst newly arrived immigrants.

Most of the UK immigration is, of course, from Europe itself, but why not encourage immigration from elsewhere too?

I think it's a good sign when people actively want to come to your country. And a poor sign when no-one wants to.

By favouring health-care immigrants we not only find a ready source of workers (to take care of an ever-aging native population), they're also often enough ready trained. Which nicely disadvantages their host countries. Though such workers will also tend to send remittances home, nicely advantaging their host countries too.

It's swings and roundabouts all the way; in the C21st playground that is the UK.

because people these days somehow picked up the delusion that migration is nefast for the receiving country thanks to xenophobic (and often right-wing) nationalistic movements.

 

[cybrxkhan]

It's interesting that China's one-child policy doesn't make a mark on the graph. You'd expect that its introduction in 1979 would coincide with a drop in East Asian fertility rates, but the graph actually levels out at that point after a steep decline and stays steady into the late 1980s. I know that the actual strictness of the policy tends to be exaggerated, and that there are all sorts of exceptions for rural families, ethnic minorities, etc., but it's curious that as far as this graph is concerned, the policy seems not to exist. Is there some possible explanation for this, perhaps that the policy was not consistently enforced and/or adhered to during its first decade? Or maybe the opposite, that a de facto version of the policy was in place before it became official at a national level?

I believe that before the one child policy was introduced, during Mao's time, the average family had a lot of kids, like six or something. I don't know the specifics of this statistic, however, nor do I remember where I got it.

 

[El_Machinae]

because people these days somehow picked up the delusion that migration is nefast for the receiving country thanks to xenophobic (and often right-wing) nationalistic movements.

It's funny, because borders are clearly leftists. Free Marketers believe in the free movement of capital and labour, and the right contract with those you choose too.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Right-Wing or Conservative positions are not based on any sort of coherent ideology. It is based on a preference for the familiar. The Classical Liberal positions were definitely Left-wing or Progressive when they were first proposed. Such ideas were never anywhere near fully implemented, but the early 20th century movement in politics and academia away from Liberalism back towards more government control made more Socialist and Paternalist positions take over the Left-Wing monikers and pushed the Classical Liberals into the Conservative camp. Modern Conservatives in the United States very much prefer (a somewhat watered down form of) the rhetoric of the old Classical Liberals over that of the New Left, but this does not mean that many Conservatives have thought things through well enough to understand what a consistent political philosophy actually means.

 

[gay_Aleks]

It's interesting that China's one-child policy doesn't make a mark on the graph. You'd expect that its introduction in 1979 would coincide with a drop in East Asian fertility rates, but the graph actually levels out at that point after a steep decline and stays steady into the late 1980s. I know that the actual strictness of the policy tends to be exaggerated, and that there are all sorts of exceptions for rural families, ethnic minorities, etc., but it's curious that as far as this graph is concerned, the policy seems not to exist. Is there some possible explanation for this, perhaps that the policy was not consistently enforced and/or adhered to during its first decade? Or maybe the opposite, that a de facto version of the policy was in place before it became official at a national level?

The policy was enacted far too late, I believe. At the time it got around, there were simply so many Chinese families, that even if they all made 1 children, the population growth still would be extreme.

 

[IIHAAETTEAAHII]

It's funny, because borders are clearly leftists. Free Marketers believe in the free movement of capital and labour, and the right contract with those you choose too.

i was more referring to 'social right-wing' than 'economic right-wing' - most parties in europe and america tend to be 'economic right-wing' anyway.

 

[Masada]

Another demographic graph showing the fertility rate against a log of GDP growth per capita.

It's interesting that China's one-child policy doesn't make a mark on the graph. You'd expect that its introduction in 1979 would coincide with a drop in East Asian fertility rates, but the graph actually levels out at that point after a steep decline and stays steady into the late 1980s. I know that the actual strictness of the policy tends to be exaggerated, and that there are all sorts of exceptions for rural families, ethnic minorities, etc., but it's curious that as far as this graph is concerned, the policy seems not to exist. Is there some possible explanation for this, perhaps that the policy was not consistently enforced and/or adhered to during its first decade? Or maybe the opposite, that a de facto version of the policy was in place before it became official at a national level?

Well spotted. There's a scholarly consensus among demographers that the policy had did not have much of an effect on China's birthrates. You can read about it here and here.

The policy was enacted far too late, I believe. At the time it got around, there were simply so many Chinese families, that even if they all made 1 children, the population growth still would be extreme.

The graph I linked to shows the fertility rate. It doesn't show population growth.

 

[Domen]

Most of the UK immigration is, of course, from Europe itself, but why not encourage immigration from elsewhere too?

Actually I think that they should encourage immigration from elsewhere and discourage immigration from other European countries.

I think it's a good sign when people actively want to come to your country

Yes.

 

[Masada]

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[madviking]

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coolio

 

[Borachio]

Where's gin and tonic?

 

[Monsterzuma]

The Isis caliphate.

 

[JohannaK]

That's what I call ambition.

 

[Traitorfish]

They missed out Sicily, how ambitious can they be?