Darfur, Whats your excuse?

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I just read this WSJ opinion piece. I makes me think we all have our heads in the sand.
LINK:http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008130
Hobbes in Sudan
What a world without U.S. power looks like.

Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

At places like Davos and Harvard, the world's sages rarely stop fretting about the dangers of a too powerful America. Well, if you want to know what the world looks like without U.S. leadership, Exhibit A is Darfur in Sudan.

Today's leading authority on Darfur is the political philosopher Thomas Hobbes, who prophesied a world "nasty, brutish and short." At least 200,000 civilians have been killed in the past three years and two million more have become refugees. The source of the problem is the Arab rulers in Khartoum, who have pursued an ethnic cleansing campaign against black Muslims in western Sudan. They've equipped the Janjaweed Arab tribesmen to do the dirty work, and that militia is now attacking civilians across the border in Chad, creating 20,000 more refugees.

To his credit, Kofi Annan started shouting about the problem two years ago, and former Secretary of State Colin Powell labeled it "genocide" not long after that. The U.N.'s mighty peace-making machinery then started to roll and . . . nothing. The Chinese (who have close commercial ties to Khartoum) and Russians have blocked any serious intervention. Arab members of the Security Council have also opposed any attempt to single out Khartoum.

The Arab League--so quick to denounce Danish cartoons--has also stymied any global intervention to stop the murder of their fellow Muslims. Here's League Secretary General Amr Musa earlier this month: "In Sudan, there is a problem related to Darfur. We will listen to the Sudanese state minister to explain to us the developments in the issue of Darfur . . ." The League plans to hold its meeting next week--in Khartoum.
The African Union has at least sent 7,000 troops to the region, but they are under-funded and under-equipped to enforce a truce that Sudan blatantly flouts. But the African failure is also political. In January the Union held its own summit in Khartoum, and next year it plans to award Sudan its presidency. The rule seems to be never to say a discouraging word about other African leaders, no matter how murderous.

As for Europe, France would be ideal to lead an intervention force. The French have military bases in neighboring Chad and could establish a no-fly zone to stop Janjaweed bombing. However, Paris is already occupied with another intervention in the Ivory Coast, and with its own business interests in Sudan isn't volunteering in any case.

Amid this global abdication, Mr. Annan finally decided last month to call in the American cavalry. He visited the White House and, with media fanfare, all but begged President Bush to do something. Despite U.S. obligations in Afghanistan, Iraq and many other places, Mr. Bush responded by proposing an expanded U.N. peacekeeping force under "NATO stewardship."

But Sudan President Omar al-Beshir quickly played to type and withdrew support for a U.N. force. He also threatened that "Darfur will become the graveyard for the United Nations and foreign intervention." And rather than stand up to such threats, U.N. envoy to Sudan Jan Pronk has wilted. He's now talking up intelligence about al Qaeda terrorists in Khartoum who could retaliate against U.N. peacekeepers. And he's warning against any NATO intervention without Security Council approval--as if that would be forthcoming. All of this is a repeat of the same feckless U.N. pattern we've seen in Bosnia, Kosovo and Iraq.
So that leaves . . . guess who? The cowboy President, the American unilateralists, the Yankee imperialists--or, to put it another way, the only nation with the will and wallet to provide order in an otherwise Hobbesian world. However, that will and wallet are being stretched today in Iraq and elsewhere, and Mr. Bush is rightly wary of committing more American blood and treasure to a conflict in Sudan that the rest of the world doesn't seem serious about ending in any event. One lesson of Darfur is that there really are limits to American power, and in its absence the world's savages have freer reign.

I will say I don't agree with the tone, I'm too liberal I suppose, but why do you think the world is not really responding to this? Is American leadership really necessary? I remember Kossavo and think that there is a point in the somewhere.
 
Basically, the region is worthless to anyone who doesn't already have ties with the Sudanese government, so no one wants to do anything.
 
Democratic nations long ago decided that we'd rather drive SUVs to the theatre than stop poor people from dying.
 
A good article which IMO exposes the hypocrisay of both the UN and a lot of country's.
America has been calling for UN intervention on this one for a while now and is frequently been blocked both other countrys.
It just shows what a mass-debating talkfeast the UN has become and will probably always be.
 
boarder said:
It just shows what a mass-debating talkfeast the UN has become and will probably always be.

The UN isn't a government, it can't do anything without member support.
 
Ive been calling for intervention here for ages - ideally following a scaled up Seria-Loene modle. At the very least protect the refugee camps against the raids. Inforce a status quo that doesnt involve massicre. Sadly it does have the strategic importance of a bananna so lets not get too hopeful.
 
boarder said:
Oh i realise that, and here in lies one of the problems of the UN.

I don't believe so. The UN wasn't designed to be a government, it was designed to be a forum where member nations can solve things diplomatically, and it has been successful to an extent. What you want the UN to be is a world government, something that many people and governments aren't too keen on having at the moment.
 
Having heard Paul Paul Rusesabagina speak on the topic his view is the dictators are supported by puppet strings. Take away the strings and you take away the tyrant. You can influence more by talking to people you know (call your local politician) more than money. His conversations saved his and many Tutsi lives. He is not an admirer of Kofi Anan.

The puppeteers in this case are China and India who each have an enormous vested interest (oil) in the country.
 
blackheart said:
I don't believe so. The UN wasn't designed to be a government, it was designed to be a forum where member nations can solve things diplomatically, and it has been successful to an extent. What you want the UN to be is a world government, something that many people and governments aren't too keen on having at the moment.

I agree with you that it wasnt designed to be a world goverment, I cannot agree that they have been successful to an extent.
I also did not say/or think that the UN should be a world goverment.(but can see why you think I implied that)
I am simply pointing out that they are IMO pretty darn useless at solving international crises.

But to be honest I also cannot suggest a alternative to the UN, so maybe i shouldnt be so negative towards them, until I do.
Maybe have all countrys involved within the desicion instead of 5, and have a majority vote pass on issues. But this in itself i can see lots of flaws surfacing already.

I will say that i do believe that the UN isnt doing what it was created to do.
I also believe that it hasnt adapted to the modern situation of how world conflicts are played out in comparison to when it was created.
Its hands are tyed by its own rules and regulations.
And here in lies my critisicm.
 
Eh, much as I think the world needs the US, this isn't the article to prove it. All it's saying is that the US isn' doing anything when it can, but it also says that Russia China and France are staying out of it. When you have four countries with a great oppurtunity to change something, you can't necessarily say it's a particular country who's leadership the world hinges on.

Not from this article anyway :p
 
Why do American soldiers have to bleed and die in some country that has no impact on us because the UN begs us to, when the rest of the world spits on us when WE are the ones asking for help? I guess we just have to be the "bigger person"
 
The UN was designed to avert WW3. We now expect far more from this institution, more than it can deliver. This shift in the level of expectation could well be seen as evidence for the institutions sucess.

We now rail at the UN's failure to manage problems fantastically smaller than those it was designed to prevent.
 
Well not to nit pick but the UN was set up by victorious world powers from ww2 in the hope that it would act to prevent conflicts between nations and make future wars impossible, by fostering an ideal of collective security.

Personally I think MAD was more succesful in stopping ww3 and the UN had little to no role in that.

Its still the only world body that has the sole power to act in Darfur and isnt like so many other conflicts beforehand, after Rwanda the UN pledged never to let anything similar happen again, well its happening again in Darfur, the numbers are less but its still happening. And yet again the UN is doing nothing.
Even though there role is primarily peace keeping operations, they do have mandates to authorise force which in it has only used twice to my knowledge, once in Korea during north vs South, and then again in the first gulf war.
So i still stand by my comments that the UN are just a big Mass-debating society.
 
The member states are doing nothing. The UN has been screaming from the rafters for a couple of years now but the perminant members wont take their thumbs out of their row of astrisks.
 
Does the French have a military base stationed in Chad?
 
Indeed,i find this appaling that our fellow industrial democratic partner of France not doing anything there,since they have the most investments than any advance countries in that given region.
 
CartesianFart said:
Indeed,i find this appaling that our fellow industrial democratic partner of France not doing anything there,since they have the most investments than any advance countries in that given region.

They're already involved in the Ivory Coast so they have the same situation as America with resources used up elsewhere.
 
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