Dawn of Civilization - an RFC modmod by Leoreth

[Barratt_87]

It has nothing to do with the game but Varanasi was a stop on the amazing race! lol. And they mentioned how it was one of the most holy places in India.

As far as the game is concerned, what ever makes for better gameplay and spread of India. In every 3000BC game i play india just builds and doesnt really do anything.. No wars, no nothing.. So a few indy cities could give the early indians something to do. However, Im more concerned with how we can get more colonization by europeans. The british goal doesnt work if you just invade every city, unfortunatly you have to build your own cities so if india is on the 600ad scenario then we must change the english goal so invasion counts because the actual Indian civ will settle the sub-continent leaving no room for england unless they raze every city to the ground.

 

[Sikandar]

Nor did Delhi, Beijing (or Xi'an) or Luxor exist in 3000 BC, your point is? My point of having the Indian spawn at Patilputra is because its the most accurate. Harrapan civilization won't work since its too too close to the Persians, and it would look wrong if they expand into Persia (which the AI WILL do) and to the rest of India. So... if anything you could have the Indians spawn later as the Mauryans at Patilputra, or we can just suck it up and have them spawn in Patilputra. Thats my view at least. I'm not saying I don't like your idea Sikandar, but we need to be realistic, RFC (and Civ4 in general) has severe game limitations that we cannot ignore.

As for the Mughals, I want to hear what Leoreth has to say, so I hope he comments soon, but I can tell you that he's 'probably' going to want to just have a repawing Muslim India, that collapses when the British arrive, and then respawns in the mid 20th century as a Hindu civilization. Also we should give room for the Portuguese/Dutch/French to also take one/two cities in India, a very credible reality for the sub-continent.

Believe me when I say I consider Delhi and Beijing being civilization capitols in 3000 BC to be quite annoying.

 

[BenZL43]

Believe me when I say I consider Delhi and Beijing being civilization capitols in 3000 BC to be quite annoying.

RETWEET!
lol

 

[J. pride]

As for the Mughals, I want to hear what Leoreth has to say, so I hope he comments soon, but I can tell you that he's 'probably' going to want to just have a repawing Muslim India, that collapses when the British arrive, and then respawns in the mid 20th century as a Hindu civilization. Also we should give room for the Portuguese/Dutch/French to also take one/two cities in India, a very credible reality for the sub-continent.

Yes Leoreth what do u think of having a separate Muslim "Mughal" civ; minor or otherwise

 

[kairob]

I have a deep dislike for people who try to put words in other peoples mouths. Whether they use the prefix 'probably' or otherwise.

 

[Orka]

I don't think a completely separate Mughal civ isn't worth the effort. A (conditionally?) respawned Muslim India should fit well enough. This would especially be appropriate in the 600AD start.

And in my view the best way to represent the Indus Valley civ, if at all, is with an independant or two (Harappa/Mohenjo-Daro), like Israel and Phoenicia (in vanilla RFC) are represented. Mostly they'd be there for flavor and should be destroyed around 1500BC, but they would also isolate India, which I find historically appropriate.

 

[Leoreth]

The good thing is I'm not in any way bound to do the things that are put in my mouth (or, on that point, those that come from my mouth ), so everyone is free to read these statements as they like.

 

[hoplitejoe]

i think it is best to avoid any more civs in DoC. its fine in RFC abundance but the job of this mod is not to add loads of civs. it just makes the game crash more and increase waiting time between turns.

 

[J. pride]

i think it is best to avoid any more civs in DoC. its fine in RFC abundance but the job of this mod is not to add loads of civs. it just makes the game crash more and increase waiting time between turns.

I that is the case, Leoreth how do u plan to intorduce the Mughals.

 

[Leoreth]

I never said anything about the Mughals. That doesn't mean they're out of the question, just that I have no plans whatsoever for them.

 

[jammerculture]

shouldn't we get the civs we already added working, before dreaming up all these other new civs......

Poor Leoreth is probably like this trying to make the game work again

and the forum's like this

 

[civ_king]

So, Leoreth, did you get the resource list for India?

 

[BenZL43]

And in my view the best way to represent the Indus Valley civ, if at all, is with an independant or two (Harappa/Mohenjo-Daro), like Israel and Phoenicia (in vanilla RFC) are represented. Mostly they'd be there for flavor and should be destroyed around 1500BC, but they would also isolate India, which I find historically appropriate.

I couldn't agree more to this statements
Just but..
I think one city, either Harappa or Mohenjo-Daro is enough.. because having 2 cities, I think too large since they only occupied the coastal tile of Indus river
Yeah, like Shushan representing Elamite Kingdom, Sur representing ancient phoenicia (?) and Yerushalayim representing the Hebrews..

i think it is best to avoid any more civs in DoC. its fine in RFC abundance but the job of this mod is not to add loads of civs. it just makes the game crash more and increase waiting time between turns.

I think there's nothing wrong in adding more Civs, as long as the other civs problem have been fixed..
I believe DoC was made to create a better RFC... and adding Civs is a better thing to represent some regions which is underrepresented in RFC, like Korea, which Leoreth going to add soon (based on the first page future release)

 

[kairob]

I think that an Indy city (or two) on the Indus, A couple of Native cities in Southern India, a couple of Native cities in southern India, a Barb horde of Horse Archers arriving from Afghanistan in the 16th century and a few more Barb Triremes. With this India can be boosted to reflect its actual power without making the Indian Civ overpowered and also making it harder for others to control.

Edit: Also, if people are looking for a good later spawn date for India then 1674 would be good to represent the Maratha Empire. This only came to an end when the British took over (vassalisation anyone )

 

[J. pride]

And in my view the best way to represent the Indus Valley civ, if at all, is with an independant or two (Harappa/Mohenjo-Daro), like Israel and Phoenicia (in vanilla RFC) are represented. Mostly they'd be there for flavor and should be destroyed around 1500BC, but they would also isolate India, which I find historically appropriate.

Ive said this before; Harappa an Mohenjo Daro are cities that i dont think can be represented in the game for multiple reasons. If you guys still want the region to be represented by a city (which is a fair demand) then I would reccomend having an independent Taxila which was one of the greatest silk road cities and also a center for Zoroastarianism and Buddhism; infact the city was the center of Greoco-Bactarian and Greco-Indic cultures after the Alexandrian conquests. The city also served as the regional capital under various Persian, Central Asian and Indian civilization including the Achaemenids and the Mauryans. Just so everyone know Taxila should spawn in 600-500BCE ( it lasted till 500ce in real life).

The advantages of having Taxila are:
1) It will be historical to see the Persians and the Indian fighting over the city; currently the Persians never expand eastwards which is unhistorical, maybe the city will give an extra incentive to conquer Afghanistan and the Indus region.

2) It will serve as buffer to Indian expansion.

3) It will show the historical significance of the region

 

[Jusos2108]

...1) It will be historical to see the Persians and the Indian fighting over the city; currently the Persians never expand eastwards which is unhistorical, maybe the city will give an extra incentive to conquer Afghanistan and the Indus region.

Wow, that's quite bold statement!

More so because they do it in about every second or third game.

 

[rogue131]

shouldn't we get the civs we already added working, before dreaming up all these other new civs......

Poor Leoreth is probably like this trying to make the game work again

and the forum's like this

That is rich! Way to sum it up.

 

[rogue131]

oh, wanted to share my latest DoC story. Just saying, the U.N. can sometimes kick you in the nuts with those dang resolutions. I was doing quite fine with absolutism, but noooo the world forces Parliamentarism on me........thus I took a hit in Civic category. Dang U.N.

 

[BenZL43]

Taxila is also a good point..
Since majority agreed that India should spawn from either Pataliputra, the political-administrative capital, or Varanasi, the religions central, which both is located in eastern part of India, in order to make Persia not going too far into Indian heartlands, we better fill the cities with temporary indies
Why temporaries? I bet these small guarded cities will be sacked by the Barbarian or Persian when they found it, I'm sure

North : Taxila
West : Mohenjo-Daro or Harappa
South : Native cities, probably Gangaikondachola ?

 

[FakeShady]

Thanks. You're fine with th Byzantines here? If so, they might need another nerf

The stability hit is due to normalization, as already explained in the main RFC thread.

Yeah i realized by now. Interesting concept. Never knew it existed.

HAHA and no im not okay with the Byzantines here, just cant be bothered to complain anymore cos i'm not too much into RFC nowadays. Great mod btw