Dawn of Civilization - an RFC modmod by Leoreth

[Chep]

or you simply switch the Language of Civ4 in the options menu to "English" and voila, you can play DoC now.

 

[yurisusuki]

Every time I try to start the mod, the words of the menu does not appear and will not let me log maps. I also tried to launch the game directly by clicking on the maps that are in the folder but I got it. Am I doing something wrong? (sorry if I'm writing bad, but I'm using the google translator)

DOC is not the only mod who you will have this problem

 

[Lone Wolf]

or you simply switch the Language of Civ4 in the options menu to "English" and voila, you can play DoC now.

Depending on the translation angelo1601 uses, it can either work fine or result in an English/Other language mix.

 

[Leoreth]

Yeah, some translations, including the Russian one, have unnecessarily set their language as first language of the mod instead of English, which causes some compatibility issues.

 

[ales_]

Of the mod?

 

[Leoreth]

No, of the base game.

 

[cudfather]

I believe Poland is totally screwed over by the emergence of Prussia, which is unhistorical (read on).

The location of Berlin causes unhistorical city placement and strongly shifts Polish territory to the east. Let me visualize this:

Spoiler :

Poznan, a city of importance comparable to Warsaw or Cracow, can't be settled unless the player is willing to part with the city for good (as it simply evaporates when the Prussians spawn). It's awfully ahistorical - Greater Poland is the cradle of the Polish state (Gniezno being the first capital and the seat of the archbishop) and has always been a part of Poland (except for the times when there was no Polish state at all).

I can understand the omission of Warsaw due to map size (also because its role was minor in early Polish history) or shifting Gdansk to the other side of the Vistula. Cracow's placement is also suboptimal, but moving it 1W would definitely be too close to Vienna and Germany, so that's alright (also because it's the only way a Poznan could be executed). However, the fact that Gdansk flips is unhistorical. It wasn't until 1772 that the Prussians took hold of it (and forcefully). I'm okay with Konigsberg flipping, but Gdansk makes no sense and screws Poland over for no real reason. The Prussians should use their army to take it (and they do have an army ).

My suggestion: move Berlin 1W and remove Gdansk (and Poznan) from the flip zone. To do that, move the Elbe 1W too. Historically, there's also the Oder there. Berlin is between the Elbe and the Oder, while Poznan is between the Oder and the Vistula (ignore the fact that I placed Elbe's mouth at the wrong sea ):

Spoiler :

There's no way an Oder might fit on the map, but the Elbe (and Berlin) should be moved to give Poland breathing room. Prussia will still make it, due to its ridiculous army. If not, a settler spawning at Konigsberg might do the job.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

While I like your suggestion; it needs to be pointed out that flip zones are rectangular by nature.
I think there have only been few alterations to them in the past and most of them resulted in shaving down the rectangles instead of making minor one or two tile shaves off the zone.
As for "willing" flips, flips are an abstracted representation of the rise of a newborn civilization that encompass everything from forceful takeover to consenting union.
I can't imagine northern Chinese cities or Byzantine territories willfully switching over to the Mongols and Turks respectively but their consolidations are represented under the umbrella flip.

 

[cudfather]

While I like your suggestion; it needs to be pointed out that flip zones are rectangular by nature. I think there have only been few alterations to them in the past and most of them resulted in shaving down the rectangles instead of making minor one or two tile shaves off the zone.

Not really. Take Prussian flipzone for example: it encompasses Pomerania and East Prussia and Brandenburg, but not the tiles at the Vistula (so it's either a couple of rectangles, or a rectangle with cut-outs). It's not a technical problem.

As for "willing" flips, flips are an abstracted representation of the rise of a newborn civilization that encompass everything from forceful takeover to consenting union.

The difference here is that Poland was not subdued by Prussia until the end of the 18th century, while in-game Prussia spawns at the beginning of that century. The territory takeover happens 100 years too early. Imagine the Americans spawn in 1676.

 

[Lone Wolf]

There're quite a lot cases of too early flips (Turkey flips Trabzon on 1280 spawn, instead of conquering it in 1460). The reason for it, of course, that Turks would be too weak early without the city, and its culture would take quite a lot of historical tiles in Anatolia from them.

I guess something like this also applies to Gdansk and Memel.

 

[cudfather]

Set Gdansk aside for a second. My biggest concern is the vanishing of Poznan (if settled by Poland) due to 1 tile vicinity of Berlin. Moving Berlin 1W would be more geographically correct and would allow the important Polish city to exist in the first place.
As for the early flip, I believe Prussia would do just fine without Gdansk (it's a lousy city anyway) due to its gigantic advanced army.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

^Well, it's actually not quite as large as you'd think.
And they only have (1?) promo each which makes fighting established larger armies even more difficult.
It could really stand to be larger. Also, from a player perspective, when spawning as Prussia,
many starts are riddled with an uphill fight in Europe as someone (usually France) is a huge
hegemon that usually owns Poland as a vassal and drags several more entities into the fight.

But like I said, I never disagreed with you, I was just making a point.
I think a 1W Berlin would be nice as well.

 

[Lone Wolf]

As for the early flip, I believe Prussia would do just fine without Gdansk (it's a lousy city anyway) due to its gigantic advanced army.

AI does have a tendency to disband its armies if they can't support them. Turkey often suffers from this.

 

[Chep]

Moving Berlin will man that all of prussias starting/core cities are within 2 tiles of one another oO

I think a better solution would be to allow Poland to settle Poznan on the Berlin tile. This way it would flip to Prussias but could be reconquered (which shouldn't be too much of a problem if you've beendet playing since medieval times.

 

[BenZL43]

#OOT but with New Year is coming in couple of days, I wonder if any of us here lived in Samoa or such.. Specifically, I wonder who will be the first to enter 2014 among us lol.

 

[NorwegianSalmon]

I think you have a pretty good shot at that BenZL

 

[Oregon Lee]

and Tomorrow's Dawn and I will be the last.

 

[mrrandomplayer]

I'll be on a plane on New Year's Eve... that will be strange.

 

[Hippo8085]

and Tomorrow's Dawn and I will be the last.

Hey, I'm with you. Unless there is somebody in Alaska or Hawaii, which I don't think there is.
Think of it as having the privilege of putting off expectations for longer than most.

 

[BenZL43]

If there's nobody here living in Samoa, Fiji, Vanuatu or any other Pacific islands, then the 2014 will start first from Japan or NZ.. which one is first?