Dawn of Civilization - an RFC modmod by Leoreth

[Leoreth]

I meant franks and Visigoths.

What have they been before or after the empire? Franks and Visigoths did not exist as historical entities before the Roman Empire.

and why is it impossible to have Islam without Christianity?

Because many ideas of Islam come from Christianity. This is even reflected in Muslim theology to the point of being obvious.

Why do you think "people of the book" is even a thing, and why Jews, Christians and Muslims agree on so many common ideas despite their difference that are completely absent from non-abrahamic religions?

I have a new question about the same thing. I was playing the same Roman game with solid stability. I had Constantinopoli. The Turks respawned total of three times in a timeline of 100years flipping my city during the 1st and the 2nd time, but not on the 3rd time, while all the surrounding cities, like before, Odessa and Angora flipped. What is the reason of this strange none-constantinopoli flip?

Respawns have a critical mass rule, which means that if a respawn covers almost all possible cities, they receive the rest of them regardless of circumstances. This is to avoid weird looking remnants of single cities whose owner was too stable, and encourage suppressing their entire core if you actually want to ensure that they stay dead.

 

[VGL]

What have they been before or after the empire? Franks and Visigoths did not exist as historical entities before the Roman Empire.


Because many ideas of Islam come from Christianity. This is even reflected in Muslim theology to the point of being obvious.

Why do you think "people of the book" is even a thing, and why Jews, Christians and Muslims agree on so many common ideas despite their difference that are completely absent from non-abrahamic religions?

I know Franks and Visigoths weren't during roman empire

and the differences of Islam and Christians is more then similarities.and the only way that Islam wouldn't existed was that Abraham didn't exist.

 

[Leoreth]

and the differences of Islam and Christians is more then similarities.

That's irrelevant.

and the only way that Islam wouldn't existed was that Abraham didn't exist.

As is the theological perspective you're taking here.

This is a historical mod, so I am concerned with the historical perspective.

 

[VGL]

That's irrelevant.


As is the theological perspective you're taking here.

This is a historical mod, so I am concerned with the historical perspective.

How?can you say what majority of Christians agree on?

and Islam would exist even if Christianity wasn't here because god send Muhammad and told Muhammad to write Quran the way he said. Muhammad didn't wrote Quran by himself

 

[Leoreth]

How?can you say what majority of Christians agree on?

I just said that theological differences between Christianity and Islam are irrelevant when discussing their historical relationship.

and Islam would exist even if Christianity wasn't here because god send Muhammad and told Muhammad to write Quran the way he said. Muhammad didn't wrote Quran by himself

Okay, let me be more blunt then. The reason why I have now emphasized for the third time that I am not interested in theological, but only historical arguments is because what you just said is a religious belief that is only true if you believe in Islam. It is not a historical fact.

I cannot design a mod around religious beliefs because they are subjective.

 

[VGL]

Well,then a historical fact:Christianity would came no matter what

 

[mrrandomplayer]

Well,then a historical fact:Christianity would came no matter what

That is certainly not true.

 

[Vekkimaster]

More questions from me . This mod has dynamic names. I'm best familiar with the names of the Roman empire, so is there something I don't get it, but why is it when conquering cities from countries like Spain or France the names of the cities stays none-romans? A good example would be french city Brest. All is good when I found that city when France is "empty".

EDIT. Paris and Bordeux are and become after concuering them like they should be, Lutetia Parisiorum and Burdigala.

 

[VGL]

That is certainly not true.

yes they would.

 

[CaterpillarKing]

I just want to try and end the religious discussion now. The line if prophets is Abraham (that may be wrong, it was an early Jew I know that) as believed by Jews. It was Abraham then Jesus, as believed by Christians. It was Abraham then Jesus then Muhammed as believed by Muslims. On the game note, religions should spawn whenever. If neither Christianity nor Islam makes it, then the two largest religions in the world are gone and that is the opposite of accurate.

 

[Mouthwash]

More questions from me . This mod has dynamic names. I'm best familiar with the names of the Roman empire, so is there something I don't get it, but why is it when conquering cities from countries like Spain or France the names of the cities stays none-romans? A good example would be french city Brest. All is good when I found that city when France is "empty".

EDIT. Paris and Bordeux are and become after concuering them like they should be, Lutetia Parisiorum and Burdigala.

The dynamic city names are hopelessly screwed. If you conquer a city and it doesn't have the exact name the mod expects it to have, it just stays that way. For instance, in the 600 AD scenario, Tisfun becomes Baghdad upon flipping to the Arabs. But if its name isn't Tisfun, (it could be Kish) it doesn't get renamed and just stays that way for the whole game. Oh, and the capital only changes in that particular scenario.

 

[VGL]

I just want to try and end the religious discussion now. The line if prophets is Abraham (that may be wrong, it was an early Jew I know that) as believed by Jews. It was Abraham then Jesus, as believed by Christians. It was Abraham then Jesus then Muhammed as believed by Muslims. On the game note, religions should spawn whenever. If neither Christianity nor Islam makes it, then the two largest religions in the world are gone and that is the opposite of accurate.

yes.that is true.thought they would be in the game whatsoever because they would appear

 

[CaterpillarKing]

For gameplay reasons the religions should spawn once their prerequisite tech is researched, just so the entire Western half of Afro Eurasia isn't Pagan.

 

[Leoreth]

More questions from me . This mod has dynamic names. I'm best familiar with the names of the Roman empire, so is there something I don't get it, but why is it when conquering cities from countries like Spain or France the names of the cities stays none-romans? A good example would be french city Brest. All is good when I found that city when France is "empty".

EDIT. Paris and Bordeux are and become after concuering them like they should be, Lutetia Parisiorum and Burdigala.

Cities can only be renamed when there is an alternate name for that city in another language. When there is no alternate name set, then the city keeps its previous name.

Not sure what you mean when you say that it is "empty".

The dynamic city names are hopelessly screwed. If you conquer a city and it doesn't have the exact name the mod expects it to have, it just stays that way. For instance, in the 600 AD scenario, Tisfun becomes Baghdad upon flipping to the Arabs. But if its name isn't Tisfun, (it could be Kish) it doesn't get renamed and just stays that way for the whole game.

That is intentional. Obviously Kish will not be renamed Baghdad because they are different cities. Renaming anything to Baghdad is already a stretch and a special case.

Oh, and the capital only changes in that particular scenario.

Capital changes are location based.

 

[AdrienIer]

Cities can only be renamed when there is an alternate name for that city in another language. When there is no alternate name set, then the city keeps its previous name.

Not sure what you mean when you say that it is "empty".

When Rome founds the city it's called Gesocribate, when it's conquered/flipped by France it becomes Brest and if Rome recaptures it it stays Brest (at least that's what I understood from the message).

 

[spaceman98]

1: Just started playing this mod, and loving it so far. I will post some of my own ideas here once I get better aquainted with the mod and its mechanics.

Well,then a historical fact:Christianity would came no matter what

no.... Christianity arose out of the specific historical circumstances of various groups in ancient Israel responding in various ways to the new pressure of Roman imperialism. Some fought it (Pharsiees), some allied with the Romans, as other leaders did elsewhere (Ciaphas). Jesus's group was looking for a third alternative path for the survival of ancient Judea's culture within the context of inevitable absorption by an expansive Roman empire. They found it within peaceful resistance, and an expansive, evangelizing religion, which we now know as Christianity.

Islam drew a lot of its concepts, such as that of a single god (Allah) from Christianty. Monotheism is actually a historical rarity, and if it weren't for the rise of Christianity, Islam would not have been monotheistic.

 

[Vekkimaster]

Cities can only be renamed when there is an alternate name for that city in another language. When there is no alternate name set, then the city keeps its previous name.

Not sure what you mean when you say that it is "empty".

I took a screenshot what I mean by emptiness. As you can see the names are romans, and will change to "french" when the spawning happens. So the roman names are there, but something goes wrong when I later on reclame these cities back, and the names won't change back. I have noticed that only Lugdunum, Burdigala and Lutetia Parisiorum are always by those names under the rule of Rome.

EDIT. It is like AdrienIer said

 

[VGL]

Nope,Islam would've been one go because god send Muhammad to convert the Arabs to a monotheistic religion.and Christians god the idea of one god from Judaism

 

[Leoreth]

When Rome founds the city it's called Gesocribate, when it's conquered/flipped by France it becomes Brest and if Rome recaptures it it stays Brest (at least that's what I understood from the message).

I took a screenshot what I mean by emptiness. As you can see the names are romans, and will change to "french" when the spawning happens. So the roman names are there, but something goes wrong when I later on reclame these cities back, and the names won't change back. I have noticed that only Lugdunum, Burdigala and Lutetia Parisiorum are always by those names under the rule of Rome.

EDIT. It is like AdrienIer said

Got it. Sometimes the reverse translations are missing.

Nope,Islam would've been one go because god send Muhammad to convert the Arabs to a monotheistic religion.

For the record, I've given up.

 

[need my speed]

Nope,Islam would've been one go because god send Muhammad to convert the Arabs to a monotheistic religion.and Christians god the idea of one god from Judaism

You really don't get it, do you?

What is the difference between:

I would have typed this post no matter what.
The USA would have invaded Iraq no matter what.
Calvinism would have arisen no matter what.
Islam would have arisen no matter what.

Will you seriously argue that this site, this mod, me, at this time, and the almost literally infinite other variables, all have one inevitable outcome?