Deity Isolation Workshop (Stan/Norm/Fractal/NH/NE)
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Sooo, a little case for IND am sure you remember this map 
We could talk about for hours how safe an Oracle at t57 is ~~
..but it's bringing excitement and different gameplay either way.
(i added forge + factory for IND illusion while building SH & Oracle, and removed them when not. SH going late actually delayed Oracle a bit cos i had hoped for earlier gold while teching PH)
We could talk about for hours how safe an Oracle at t57 is ~~
..but it's bringing excitement and different gameplay either way.
(i added forge + factory for IND illusion while building SH & Oracle, and removed them when not. SH going late actually delayed Oracle a bit cos i had hoped for earlier gold while teching PH)
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I've never said that IND was a bad trait. I said it could be very strong in some cases.
Now T57 certainly isn't safe, but it's not a horrible gamble either, and can definitely make the game more fun -- depends on your playstyle.
But here, what are you going to Oracle anyway? Monarchy? Not really useful.. Would be really good if you could Oracle MC or CoL (cheap SPI temples, play around with CS etc.), but it's simply not possible on this map.
But I ofc agree that IND can be very useful on some low-commerce starts
(Oh and btw you went through Meditation even though you have marble -- no ToA failgold grandplan?
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Edit - actually if you go Hunt-AH-Fishing-PH-Writing you might be able to Oracle CoL = hit the jackpot. Have to try some stuff with this map
The thing I dislike the most about the Oracle here is that you might pop some stupid great priest (probably ok if you get only one, but what if every GP you get turns out to be a priest?
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Now T57 certainly isn't safe, but it's not a horrible gamble either, and can definitely make the game more fun -- depends on your playstyle.
But here, what are you going to Oracle anyway? Monarchy? Not really useful.. Would be really good if you could Oracle MC or CoL (cheap SPI temples, play around with CS etc.), but it's simply not possible on this map.
But I ofc agree that IND can be very useful on some low-commerce starts
(Oh and btw you went through Meditation even though you have marble -- no ToA failgold grandplan?
)Edit - actually if you go Hunt-AH-Fishing-PH-Writing you might be able to Oracle CoL = hit the jackpot. Have to try some stuff with this map
The thing I dislike the most about the Oracle here is that you might pop some stupid great priest (probably ok if you get only one, but what if every GP you get turns out to be a priest?
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Just accept that there's no perfect game and move on. Playing multiplayer and various gamemodes might help because you're forced to dealing with factors outside of the base game throwing a wrench in your plans all the time. Need to be able to reset and come up with the best plan from point X quite often. But overall I enjoy noticing small mistakes, that's how I stop to think and figure things out. Asking why the other path was better and identifying the conditions. They don't cause me to lose motivation in any way.
On the T50 part: I get my kick from figuring out the best solution to a problem. I don't focus so much on the win itself which makes it easy to play games even when they're "decided". Probably because I've played for so many years that the AI rarely poses a challenge. More than 10 years on this forum now! 10!!
Single player is just a relaxing sandbox mode at this point -- if you want a real challenge then go sign up for a MP pitboss on realmsbeyond.
I'd also recommend doing something other than domination/conquest all the time to keep it interesting. Learning what makes a new VC "tick" is fun to me at least. For instance I had a culture phase in BOTM ~2 years ago.
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Well Monarchy is useful on all maps with no happy res, imo..Mecca might not be a great cap, but there are 2 green tiles that can be cottaged, and the pigs site has plenty green river (and also plains river). I would probably turn this city into my Bur Cap later with Monarchy, no issues chopping the Palace after border pop as needed (another advantage of IND, costs 50% less).
I dun think priest points would be an issue, sure you might get one but there's worse than 2h5g settled or golden age.
Also you assume all GP come from Mecca which would ofc not be the case.
(i did play as if SPI gets replaced by IND, ofc with both CoL would be much stronger)
I dun think priest points would be an issue, sure you might get one but there's worse than 2h5g settled or golden age.
Also you assume all GP come from Mecca which would ofc not be the case.
(i did play as if SPI gets replaced by IND, ofc with both CoL would be much stronger)
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A new game, Stalin
He was mentioned at some point as agg leader not played yet.
Played to turn 50 and happy with this map, some nice stuff to work with but nothing too good.
Already can see many questions and decisions now, looks perfect for training.
He was mentioned at some point as agg leader not played yet.
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Played to turn 50 and happy with this map, some nice stuff to work with but nothing too good.
Already can see many questions and decisions now, looks perfect for training.
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@Rusten that's good advice. What are Pitboss MP and realmsbeyond? How do you sign up for these things?
@Fippy I'll play this as soon as I finish my current game. Trying to play a map to the end for once
Oh and could you turn yields on when you post screenies? Makes it more readable when you don't know the map.
@Fippy I'll play this as soon as I finish my current game. Trying to play a map to the end for once
Oh and could you turn yields on when you post screenies? Makes it more readable when you don't know the map.
Well I'm at 800BC right now lol, but I'll play this one to the end no matter what -- or I promise I'll isolate myself completely from any civ stuff for an entire month (would be horrible 
). But I can attach the starting save if you want to play. Have a few early game saves aswell. (Didn't post the map here at first partly cos I thought Fippy would find boring AF -- was I right? 
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). But I can attach the starting save if you want to play. Have a few early game saves aswell. (Didn't post the map here at first partly cos I thought Fippy would find boring AF -- was I right? )Spoiler :
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Pitboss was/is the program used to play Civ 4 multiplayer (MP). I don't know a great deal about it other than it can create a game server to host a MP game and it used to be kind of clunky. I'm guessing it's really showing it's age these days unless it's seen improvements.
Realms Beyond is a really old website/forum dedicated to the Civ franchise. They used to organize big GOTM type games over there and i believe they called them "epics." They were typically a little more role-playing style, as was the site in general (the players and the information over there were less advanced than on this site). They also used to organize some big MP games from time to time. I haven't been over on that site in several years so I don't know what kind of following they have at this point.
Realms Beyond is a really old website/forum dedicated to the Civ franchise. They used to organize big GOTM type games over there and i believe they called them "epics." They were typically a little more role-playing style, as was the site in general (the players and the information over there were less advanced than on this site). They also used to organize some big MP games from time to time. I haven't been over on that site in several years so I don't know what kind of following they have at this point.
Saves from my practice game. Could have got Optics earlier, but would be far behind in infra & cities. A few things could have been optimized a bit better, but I'm pretty satisfied with the overall timing. Should be in a decent position if the AIs are not monsters.
If you're going to look at the saves, I'd suggest you play it to, Lain (doesn't matter if you play fast), to get a feel for the map. I also think it's a very good island for practice (can probably say that for all games, but idk, I really enjoyed this one).
I'll play it to the end, not sure how long it's gonna take.
If you're going to look at the saves, I'd suggest you play it to, Lain (doesn't matter if you play fast), to get a feel for the map. I also think it's a very good island for practice (can probably say that for all games, but idk, I really enjoyed this one).
I'll play it to the end, not sure how long it's gonna take.
Well it's a low commerce start. And while the island has some growth potential, it does still have lower commerce than 90% of the maps played here. Now ofc it has a decent amount of land and resources to trade after Astro, so it's not necessarily very hard.
