I'm not saying your country is fascistJust that the pledge seems a little bit so.
I completely agree actually.
Do we need to pledge of alliegence in the U.S? Should it be modified?
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I completely agree actually.
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Thats fine with me.
And under god, doest have to be the Christian/ Jewish/ Muslim God, only if you are that, it could be seen as you god, from what ever religion you are, even agnostics, or scientologist. I guess atheists could say under Darwin.
So far I'm the only one who voted It should be redone completely.
We shouldn't be pledging our alligence to a flag for goodness sake. The flag is a symbol blah blah blah, but the flag is just a flag. What we should be pledging our alligience to is The Constitution. It is the law of the land and it is the basis for the entire regime of the United States.
We shouldn't be pledging our alligence to a flag for goodness sake. The flag is a symbol blah blah blah, but the flag is just a flag. What we should be pledging our alligience to is The Constitution. It is the law of the land and it is the basis for the entire regime of the United States.
I can't stand the whole "it doesn't have to be the Christian God" argument - I experienced that growing up in the Scouts where I they claimed that in attempt to be "multicultural" - i.e., bending over to accomodate the tiny proportion of muslims and other non-Christian monotheists, whilst ignoring the much larger significant number of atheists.
In practice, it may have not been the "Christian God", but it was still one that was a single God, and one which expected to be prayed to, and worshipped with Christian hymms...
Similarly I get annoyed by AA preachers who insist that "higher power" doesn't have to be some supernatural being, but they still talk about it as if they mean God.
In practice, it may have not been the "Christian God", but it was still one that was a single God, and one which expected to be prayed to, and worshipped with Christian hymms...
Similarly I get annoyed by AA preachers who insist that "higher power" doesn't have to be some supernatural being, but they still talk about it as if they mean God.
Yeah, I find it odd that people treat the flag the way they do in the US (consider things like the flag burning controversy).
Maybe it's a sort of replacement to things like a monarchy - it seems that some people have a built in desire to worship and pledge allegience to some sort of entity representing the nation.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Perfection's physics teacher after the pledge: "Do they have anything like that in germany"The nazis had a lot of flags too.
I'm not saying your country is fascist
German foreign exchange student: "not since 1945"
CIVPhilzilla
Reagan Republican
I say leave it the way it is. Two words never hurt anybody, and a little patriotism everyday isn't too much to ask.
skadistic
Caomhanach
It hurts me. It shows buy the context of the words that I am an outcast and not unified by divided in the eyes of the government.
Would your opinion be the same if the two words were "Under Satan"?
Irish Caesar
Yellow Jacket
Do we need to? I didn't know it was a Federal law that people had to say it at all.
But whether you say it or not, the nation is still under God. I'd be more concerned about the questionability of the "indivisible" part of it.
And why should they patronize atheists? If they believe that one has a duty to God, country, family, and self, disbelief in said God doesn't eliminate the duty.
But whether you say it or not, the nation is still under God. I'd be more concerned about the questionability of the "indivisible" part of it.
And why should they patronize atheists? If they believe that one has a duty to God, country, family, and self, disbelief in said God doesn't eliminate the duty.
Because us atheists are citizens too, Mr. Bush.
By the very fact that you are saying that America is "one nation under God", you alienate the millions of non-abrahamic religious people, as well as the nonreligious, by discluding them from the unity of the nation. The US government is in no way founded on Christianity.
It is exactly this type of attitude which make atheists hate Christians.
I've recited it over a thousand times in my life, I'd bet. Look where that got me?
Trajan12
Deity
I wouldn't mind terribly if the 'under God' was taken out. But overall I see nothing wrong with having the pledge.
Irish Caesar
Yellow Jacket
My statement was in reference to the Scouts.
Actually, regarding the scouts is irrelevant, as being atheist (much like being gay) would grant you an automatic expulsion - you hav to be Christian to stay in IIRC.
I quoted the wrong comment - I was talking about what you said here:
Irish Caesar
Yellow Jacket
I don't know about that; a Jewish friend of mine became an Eagle shortly after I did. As for atheists, I don't know why they'd want to join an organization which lists duty to God as one of the most important parts of life in the first place.
And I stand by my statement that belief in God does not affect the existence of God.
My bad - just excluding atheists. As for joining it - because they joined as kids before their beliefs had fully manifested when they reached the age to decide their own religious beliefs.
That wasn't your statement at all - you said that the nation is one nation under God, implying that it is a unifying factor, when it isn't. As I said before:
Saying "one nation under God" necessarily discludes those who do not follow the particular interpretations of God at hand, that of the abrahamic monotheistic religions, because they are absolutely not "under God."
Irish Caesar
Yellow Jacket
I'm not implying being under God is a unifying factor.
And atheists are absolutely under God. Y'all certainly aren't equal to God or above God. I'm not forcing you to say you are, and I'm not interested in having anyone else force you to say it. But I certainly think that whether you think you're under God or not, you are.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
How can an atheist be under something that doesn't exist?
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