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Does society exist?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Hygro, Dec 8, 2011.

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Is society real?

  1. Society is real

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  2. Society is fake

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  3. Linking arms is violent force

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  1. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    Why does this have to be a concious policy?

    I don't really understand what you're trying to say here.

    And I said, this is a palaeontological question, not an anthropological one. Human social groupings are, in the most general sense, something that we've inherited from our evolutionary ancestors, not something that emerged without our own history.
     
  2. timtofly

    timtofly One Day

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    Habit; something started that continues without reason.

    Inherited; something we keep doing without reason.
     
  3. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    Ok, if that's how you are using the terms. But what implications does this actually have for the study- or change- of human society?
     
  4. Winner

    Winner Diverse in Unity

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    Yes, that's what I meant, hence the quotation marks. Dawkins calls it a misfiring set of genes or something, that fortunately make it possible for humans to exist in large groups and to feel socially connected with people beyond their immediate family or a circle of friends.
     
  5. Aleksey_aka_al

    Aleksey_aka_al Smiley

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    Do I exist as a temporal being in a four-dimensional world? Are those past and future me-s the same me or part of my being as present me? Or are they just the collection of me-s my present me is gathering into the one big but momental illusion to help it orient itself and make a small step of act in the needed direction before dissappearing in time irretrievably?
     
  6. JonBonham

    JonBonham Chieftain

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    Well it's both a collection of wood and screws but in a way that makes it a chair, which is what we decide to call this particular formation of wood and screws. So yeah, exactly what you said.
     
  7. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    But that's my question- is it that humans were "designed", for want of a better word, for a single social context, and our adaptability is an "unintentional" bonus, or was the adaptability the "design" itself? Anthropologists have already recognised that humans are remarkably plastic creatures, and Dawkin's tendency towards genetic reductionism doesn't gel very well with how human beings are actually understood in that field. It tends to raise more questions than it answers.

    I would say that you only meaningfully exist as a temporal being. Conciousness is something that happens, not just something that is, and a human being frozen in time, and so without conciousness, is really nothing more than an elaborate collection of atoms.
     
  8. Virote_Considon

    Virote_Considon The Great Dictator

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    Yeah, society exists.

    Not in any politically significant way :)
     
  9. timtofly

    timtofly One Day

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    Adaptation is changing or the cause of change in human society. Do you not agree that while most people have a goal, the daily, mundane life is done out of habit?

    Would you be so kind as to explain this to one, President Barack Obama?
     
  10. Aleksey_aka_al

    Aleksey_aka_al Smiley

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    That's because every moment you feel as if there were something more than this exact moment. But if I am a temporal being why am I not a being longer and deeper in time than just my personal me moments? My life is only the moment of the life of my species and the Life on Earth. The way my present personal me is defined by infinite momental me-s of the past and is driven by their impulse, the same way my overall temporal me, my life is fully to the last moment of it defined by evolutional and historical chain of countless lifes of organisms preceding me. Is there any meaning or drive in my life at all if taken from the context of this chain?
     
  11. galdre

    galdre Emperor

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    Society is simply a collection of people, so no, it doesn't exist on its own
     
  12. Lefty Scaevola

    Lefty Scaevola Moderatus Illuminatus Super Moderator

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    Society certainly exists from an economic standpoint. Specialization of labor, trade, commerce, economies of scale, etc, in a society produce a much better standard of living than just a bunch of subsistance farmers and gatherers.
     
  13. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    No. I think that for the vast majority, the basic terms of daily life expresses a set of external constraints. What habits exist, exist within those externally-enforced terms. When those constraints are removed, in one way or another, daily life is necessarily modified as a result.

    Arguably not, insofar as your individual conciousness is necessarily developed within the context set by all that has preceded you. But your conciousness will only continue to exist within that context- itself something which develops over time- so attempting to abstract it out of that context is a purely academic exercise.
     
  14. GoodGame

    GoodGame Red, White, & Blue, baby!

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    If there wasn't a society, then I wouldn't really be here.

    To argue that would be a foolish denial.
     
  15. ParkCungHee

    ParkCungHee Deity

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    Now that's the most interesting question raised this whole thread.
     
  16. timtofly

    timtofly One Day

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    Would that imply that society is based on a known need?
     
  17. Zelig

    Zelig Beep Boop

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    We use "society" to describe something. The term isn't very interesting if it's not describing something that exists.
     
  18. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    mine wasn't? :(
     
  19. puglover

    puglover Disturber of Worldviews

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    I think this question could also be asked from a pragmatic standpoint: Does someone give their life more value or purpose if they dedicate themselves to improving society? Does such a goal in one's life benefit them? Does it even benefit society?
     
  20. Narz

    Narz keeping it real

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    There are many societies. Certainly a group of individuals is more than the sum of it's parts.
     

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