Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

[Cutlass]

Cadet Bone Spurs voters whinning about stolen valor while fettishing pictures of Cadet Bone Spurs as Rambo certainly is a look.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Best candidate in US history

 

[Narz]

I wonder if Harris should support full Cannabis legalization. I lean towards yes. Ethically I'm in favor, though I haven't smoked in 19 years(how time flies)

Benefits: big with young, childless single men, a demographic less concerned with abortion, the focus of her present policy-related rhetoric. Some testosterone-filled supporters would be good, too, especially in red states and rural areas, where conservatives tend to dominate conversations at the ground level.

Disadvantages: it would piss off the traditionalists and right leaning moralists... they weren't gonna vote for her anyway. I suppose it may give Trump some rhetorical angles? I think she's avoiding controversy presently, to avoid interrupting the positive news feedback loop. That will inevitably end, which would be the time to announce support.

I hope she will, it's popularity among the US public is like 70+% iirc, prohbition is ridiculous & unlike alcohol which kills untold numbers cannabis has already been recognized by most states as medicine (medicine that's not perfect & with potential for abuse but nonethless legit medicine)

I think she was looking first, for a man

As a white man he has elements that appeal to different demographics than she can directly appeal to.

Does it strike anyone else as sad that this is the way politicians think (and the way they think we think... and that many of you agree we think, well not that you think of course but you imagine others think)?

The world is burning & the democrats are worried about their optics like it's a Calvin Klein ad.

Durr she has a vagina, and since I male, I's scared, but he has a penis & is chubby & bald & nonthreatening, I likey. In my mind's I I has beer w him, I votez Dem now.

Maybe the public really is this pathetic & I'm just out of touch.

 

[Narz]

It's overall had the support of something like 60-65% of Americans for the past few years, with overwhelming support among Democrats, strong support among Independents, and even among Republicans, a fairly significant minority.

Overall it would probably be to her benefit because the people who would refuse to vote for her over this are already not voting for her for other reasons, but there might be some who'd be more motivated to turn out if she promised to do this.

Agree, think of all the on-the-fence or right-leaning listeners to Joe Rogan for instance. This demographic should be shoe-in democratic voters (pro-weed, poor, young, working class, easily susceptible to change - listening to Elon Musk one minute & Bernie Sanders the next)

This shouldn't be rocket science, look @ the opponent (see Ziggy's video above)

 

[amadeus]

I think Walz got the nod because he’s the least likely to go too off the rails, least likely to offend anyone demographically, and probably sooner than later most likely to become background noise to the campaign.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Does it strike anyone else as sad that this is the way politicians think (and the way they think we think... and that many of you agree we think, well not that you think of course but you imagine others think)?

Sad that race-based thinking has a legacy that continues to advantage some and disadvantage others in ways that need to be addressed and redressed? Yes, I find that terribly sad. But since that's where we are, there is no way through but through.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

two things, first, why in the world would it actually be unlikely, like, substantiated by something other than a community post? it's on record that he started the resignation before his unit was said to move.

second, he had done military work for like half his damn life at that point, 24 years, since he was 17. that this is tried to be spun as some scrupulous underhanded act is crazy. like - let me be really clear here - a dude is allowed to leave the military, it's not a prison.

this whole spin of the reps misses the mark so much. it's reaching. like i believe that something bad may actually show up, but so far all the spin did was to alienate women (the free tampon thing) and veterans (who on average, mind you, have served much less that 24 f years), good job fox.

like, again, if i may leave the extrapolation aside, and just summarize:

he served 24 years and he's allowed to leave

I do not think it best to state that Walz "bailed out" of his service. By all accounts he served honorably. Naturally you will see all sorts of elements in the military always badmouthing one another e.g. "REMF" and "pogue" and all that, and it should not be taken too seriously by a general audience.

Rather I think Walz, if he's ever asked, should be honest about the timeline of events. If he purports to say that he was faced with some moral quandary about running for office* versus deploying to Iraq, then he should state whether:
a) the guys who penned that 2018 letter to the editor are liars; that is, Walz indeed had no prior knowledge the unit was going to Iraq.
b) he just didn't feel like deploying to Iraq, when he knew, and retired from the Guard.

One of these must be true.

*for some perspective: transportation secretary Pete Buttigieg took a leave of absence as a mayor to join the Navy Reserve, so it's not technically necessary to resign from one in order to participate in the other...

p.s. I don't watch Fox so I can't account for whatever they have to say.

 

[Narz]

Sad that race-based thinking has a legacy that continues to advantage some and disadvantage others in ways that need to be addressed and redressed? Yes, I find that terribly sad. But since that's where we are, there is no way through but through.

What does what you're saying actually mean? No way out but through, what?

What's the got to do with the logic that we need someone black & female but now that we have it we need to water it down with a white guy? This goofy logic has nothing to do with any legacy it's just idiotic, who would vote for Kamala only because she chose a white guy as her vice president? Anyone?

"I have a dream" was 61 years ago and we're still dicking around with skin tone like some chemist trying to get just the right shade.

No one claiming Americans aren't weird af about race but it seems bizarre to say "we need a woman", "ok we got a woman now we need a man" like we're trying to fill quotas or find breeding pairs for a zoo or create a good bus-station poster for our university rather than choose people to run the most powerful country on earth.

I guess this is just the age we live in. "If you liked that you may like this!" "Tired of old whites guy but deep down do still like just a little 'old white guy' cause it feels oddly comforting?"

I guess respecting people to look beyond skin deep perhaps isn't wise in a sound-byte culture. Do voters not even have the time to spend five minutes on wikipedia to look at a person's policies? Who gaf what the dude looks like, if he's a "midwestern dad", is this a TV commercial or real life?

 

[Narz]

I do not think it best to state that Walz "bailed out" of his service. By all accounts he served honorably. Naturally you will see all sorts of elements in the military always badmouthing one another e.g. "REMF" and "pogue" and all that, and it should not be taken too seriously by a general audience.

Rather I think Walz, if he's ever asked, should be honest about the timeline of events. If he purports to say that he was faced with some moral quandary about running for office* versus deploying to Iraq, then he should state whether:
a) the guys who penned that 2018 letter to the editor are liars; that is, Walz indeed had no prior knowledge the unit was going to Iraq.
b) he just didn't feel like deploying to Iraq, when he knew, and retired from the Guard.

One of these must be true.

*for some perspective: transportation secretary Pete Buttigieg took a leave of absence as a mayor to join the Navy Reserve, so it's not technically necessary to resign from one in order to participate in the other...

p.s. I don't watch Fox so I can't account for whatever they have to say.

I'd say not going to Iraq was a very smart choice.

Most intelligent people can agree going to Iraq was a dumb idea that did nothing to protect the US. But I guess they expect soldiers to just do what they're told without any compunction, I'll never understand that. Cowardice, abandoning a wounded comrade of course I understand but skipping out on Iraq, go Walz!

 

[Core Imposter]

What does what you're saying actually mean? No way out but through, what?

What's the got to do with the logic that we need someone black & female but now that we have it we need to water it down with a white guy? This goofy logic has nothing to do with any legacy it's just idiotic, who would vote for Kamala only because she chose a white guy as her vice president? Anyone?

"I have a dream" was 61 years ago and we're still dicking around with skin tone like some chemist trying to get just the right shade.

No one claiming Americans aren't weird af about race but it seems bizarre to say "we need a woman", "ok we got a woman now we need a man" like we're trying to fill quotas or find breeding pairs for a zoo or create a good bus-station poster for our university rather than choose people to run the most powerful country on earth.

I guess this is just the age we live in. "If you liked that you may like this!" "Tired of old whites guy but deep down do still like just a little 'old white guy' cause it feels oddly comforting?"

I guess respecting people to look beyond skin deep perhaps isn't wise in a sound-byte culture. Do voters not even have the time to spend five minutes on wikipedia to look at a person's policies? Who gaf what the dude looks like, if he's a "midwestern dad", is this a TV commercial or real life?

Bottom rail on top, to quote an old book.

 

[Voidwalkin]

Overall it would probably be to her benefit because the people who would refuse to vote for her over this are already not voting for her for other reasons, but there might be some who'd be more motivated to turn out if she promised to do this.

All true, but I have a hunch that it'd be more beneficial than just a motivator. Disenchantment is pretty high amongst young people as a whole, young men especially. A little actual substance for the millions that like a joint to ease the stress of the day would shift perception.

There are many minds that have closed the door to the idea that politics is a place for change. This is a pretty easy way to crack it open, just a little. The only reason I can think of why she shouldn't... DA history. Might give ammo to Trump.

 

[Core Imposter]

It will be interesting to see what Harris bids. Biden, it was student loans. Trump is promising to eliminate tax on tips. Some are calling for Harris to support reparations.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Aww, you changed your status to "felon". That's so sweet

 

[Birdjaguar]

Lawrence O'Donnell last night:

Lawrence O'Donnell Slams His Papers Over Media Taking This 'Insult' From Trump

The MSNBC anchor ripped news outlets for making the "same mistakes" as 2016 following the former president's press conference.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Remorseless1]

That press conference did nothing to burnish Trump's credentials as a suitable candidate for the presidency. He disclosed no details on his claims he could solve all the nation's issues, rambled for 10 minutes on crowd sizes, and generally looked and acted like a not too bright huckster.

 

[Core Imposter]

Like Joe Biden worries about a peaceful transfer of power after the election, I do as well. If Trump wins the election, I predict rioting on the streets

But at present, I worry more about what may happen in the wake of Trump's sentencing on September 18th. This will be the deep state's last clear shot at taking Trump out before the election and I expect them to take a full swing.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Like Joe Biden worries about a peaceful transfer of power after the election, I do as well. If Trump wins the election, I predict rioting on the streets

But if Trump loses the election, it'll be fine, right?

Trump won't claim it will be rigged, all of MAGA goes: oh well, we tried, better luck next election.

It'll be fine

But at present, I worry more about what may happen in the wake of Trump's sentencing on September 18th. This will be the deep state's last clear shot at taking Trump out before the election and I expect them to take a full swing.

Oh noes! The deep state again! They're hiding under your bed!

It couldn't possibly be Trump facing the consequences of breaking the law could it? Naw, that is so far fetched. Trump would never break a law!

 

[Gori the Grey]

No way out but through, what?

No way past racial considerations until we are truly post-racial, i.e. not for as long as this

No one claiming Americans aren't weird af about race

(and worse) is true about race in America.

Lawrence O'Donnell last night:

He's right to be pissed. This was Trump making the press dance to his tune. Each TV outlet eventually bailed, for what it's worth. (I lurk on a site that is more active than this one for following events like this in real time, and various posters indicated when NBC dropped it, when ABC did, etc.). Remorseless is right. He didn't actually do himself any favors. One poster reported the posts on Fox, and viewers there were shocked by how incoherent and crazy he was. But (as is easy to say in retrospect), it should not have been covered at all.

 

[E.man]

Trumps incoherence and reliance on insults more obvious since the switch to Harris.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

DonOLD Trump.