Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

[JollyRoger]

Lastly, your previous post claimed Democrats were just following the law (while also not following the law for West or Stein) but now you defend it saying both sides do it. Which is it?

Nope. I addressed what a panel did in following the law - not the advocates.

As to your other points, J6 obviously had bad actors and touristy dupes and one big fat man sitting in the White House happy to do nothing to prevent it from escalating.

Political parties have always had power to decide how they want to choose their nominee. The Republicans even gave us a President (Gerald Ford) that was not even on the ticket and did not received a single vote for President or Vice President. We are not really living in a Democracy as the affirmative action of the Electoral College and the Senate prove. Democrats have won every popular but one since 1992, yet somehow the Republicans have appoint 6 of the 9 Justices of the Supreme Court.

Plus, given your Democracy concerns, shouldn't the good people of Wisconsin and Michigan have the right to throw away their vote to Kennedy?

 

[Lexicus]

Idk but i really don't want to share a polity with people who think the summer 2020 riots were worse than Jan 6th

 

[Voidwalkin]

I went with Lex's answer as to date. But now I want him (us collectively) to make good on his original claim.

What was soap-opera-esque about each of these elections?
I apologize that table didn't keep date as its own

Could it be said that looks played no role in any of the above elections?

If not, they're all soap opera adjacent.

 

[Angst]

If you are interested in just facts without any political spin this is a great documentary time lining events of J6. Just about everyone will find they have been mislead so it is good to review just the facts. It is well worth watching.

we saw it live, dude

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

If you are interested in just facts without any political spin this is a great documentary time lining events of J6.

Day of Rage: How Trump Supporters Took the U.S. Capitol | Visual Investigations

 

[choxorn]

Idk but i really don't want to share a polity with people who think the summer 2020 riots were worse than Jan 6th

But bro the riots totally burned down every city in the country, trust me bro, even though all the people living in those cities say nothing of the sort happened, it totally happened because my feelings say it happened, bro

 

[Lexicus]

Given these numbers we have to ask ourselves what the hell is going on, why is helping Israel kill kids so important to our politicians?

 

[Sommerswerd]

On 538 Harris is still ahead in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Nevada. She's lost the narrow lead in North Carolina, but she now leads in Georgia by 0.5%.

 

[Sommerswerd]

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Given these numbers we have to ask ourselves what the hell is going on, why is helping Israel kill kids so important to our politicians?

My cynical take, is because these politicians in question are generally prioritizing getting elected. Jamal Bowman and Cori Bush are examples of how this issue can poll one way, but then turns out differently in an actual election. If this poll held up, Bowman and Bush wouldn't have lost their seats.

 

[Lexicus]

Getting elected. Jamal Bowman and Cori Bush are examples of how this issue polls one way, but turns out differently in an actual election. If this poll held up, Bowman and Bush wouldn't have lost their seats.

What happened with Bush and Bowman is that their anti-Israel stands led pro-Israel groups to spend massive amounts of money on their opponents, who then used that money to cut ads accusing Bowman and Bush essentially of not being good Democrats, not supporting Biden's domestic agenda enough. The campaigns did not focus on Israel exactly because the strategists understand that Israel's war is not a winning issue among Democratic primary voters.

I will point out there is no reason the Democrats cannot adopt rules for their primaries that preclude massive amounts of outside spending.

 

[Core Imposter]

Nobody in the political realm is willing or able to provide leadership on the Hamas issue; the media is only providing a one-dimensional view of a complicated problem.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Nobody in the political realm is willing or able to provide leadership on the Hamas issue; the media is only providing a one-dimensional view of a complicated problem.

I think most politicians see hard lines on the conflict as mostly lose lose.

 

[choxorn]

I will point out there is no reason the Democrats cannot adopt rules for their primaries that preclude massive amounts of outside spending.

In all fairness, I'm sure that if they did, the PAC's would sue, and we'd get a 6-3 court ruling saying that a private organization setting its own rules on campaign spending violates free speech, somehow.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Trump can soon tap his $2 billion Truth Social fortune. But it won’t be easy​

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/business/trump-truth-social-stock/index.html

 

[JollyRoger]

Hopefully he gets an NDA and pays his $130,000 fee before tapping it.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I wonder if the price of DJT is a good proxy for Trump's supporters view of the election results? In Jan the stock price was $17. In late March it peaked at $66 and today it closed at $19.

 

[Voidwalkin]

Nevada as competitive remains surprising to me. I don't see a voter movement that would easily explain Republican fortunes there. Still think Harris wins it by 3 or 4.

NC I don't see. Raleigh Durham CH has swung Dem, but I doubt sufficient to win it. I'm not sure that I love the polls showing otherwise... maybe they're accurate, and there's been real movement, but I see Harris' small edge as a potential overcorrection of the last midterm, where Republicans were overestimated. No Trump, no wave. With Trump, eh, idk.

Georgia seems more likely to me. Atlanta is growing quickly, and attracting Dems from elsewhere to it. Eventually, I think it'll be to Georgia what Northern Virginia is to that state, but I would say this won't be that cycle(low confidence here)

 

[Core Imposter]

I think most politicians see hard lines on the conflict as mostly lose lose.

Which is a failure of leadership. Might go right over the heads of most of the political class but the whole point is to stand for something when it isn't popular and to turn public opinion or die a political death in the effort. That's called statesmanship. Something we lack. Liz Cheney's defiance of the populist Trump was an act of statesmanship. Even to the point of cooking the books. You have to give her credit even as you step across, or on, her dead body.

 

[Cutlass]

Which is a failure of leadership. Might go right over the heads of most of the political class but the whole point is to stand for something when it isn't popular and to turn public opinion or die a political death in the effort. That's called statesmanship. Something we lack. Liz Cheney's defiance of the populist Trump was an act of statesmanship. Even to the point of cooking the books. You have to give her credit even as you step across, or on, her dead body.

She didn't cook any books. God Commanded you to not say that.

 

[Core Imposter]

CNN interview amounted to an infomercial for the radical left-wing candidates.

It's kind of interesting that the whole of government and all of our elite institutions are lined up behind this Democrat effort and that Trump has only himself and the ordinary people. The stakes in the election are extraordinary, if the Democrats run the table taking both houses and the White House with the most socialist minded ticket in our history, the result would essentially be the end of the Republic as we know it. It would be an event like unto the historic earthquakes in Russia, first when the Bolsheviks deposed the Czar and later when the Soviet Union fell.

I am not saying that the world will actually change the calendar, BC/AC (before calamity/after calamity) but future historians will certainly refer to 2024 as the end of one period in world history and the beginning of another. It will mark the end of the Pax Americana and the beginning of the new, darker, ages to come.

The voters, in voting to renounce every value upon which our Republic was founded and sustained upon, will only discover their blunder in stages, and many other claims will be made to lay the blame at other doors. But such a dread event will divide the time as starkly as the red ribbon divides the scriptures when we open our Bible.