Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Page, what do you suggest building in Utica instead of a Champ? I was thinking Catapult, but we have a lot of those already.
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Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Pre-flight:
Switch Utica to Walls per forum discussion.
Hit enter.
IBT:
Leipzig: Academy->Wealth
Turn 1 (70 AD):
Move Champion out of Berlin, moving towards large stack of Cats (to help kill the Russian Chariot, if it's still there when he gets there)
Berlin->Shrine
Sci and lux sliders to 10% each. We need gold!
IBT:
Our people want to build The Academy.
Vikings complete Stonehenge.
Turn 2 (90 AD):
Zzz...
IBT:
Utica: Walls->Wealth
More Russians join the chariot we've been bombarding! They now have 2 chariots and an Archer.
Turn 3 (110 AD):
Somehow, the sci slider got up to 30%. I lower it to 20% to gain +1gpt.
Bombard Russians...
Oh, we have a pioneer there. I'm going to risk a Germanic Spearman in attacking a Chariot...and I lose
Screw it, Utica starts building Champ. We need the muscle near the dyes NOW.
IBT:
Zzz...
Turn 4 (130 AD):
I spot a Mongol Chariot near Leipzig, who switches to Champion - I'll need it to attack them next turn.
We redline the Russians with Cats. I wish we had more troops so we could take advantage of this!
IBT:
Berlin: Shrine->Champ
Leipzig: Champ->Canoe (for scouting)
Utica: Champ->Champ
Turn 5 (150 AD):
I bombard the Russians - and a Mongol Asian Spearman who just climbed the mountain near our cat stack. Sigh.
I'm having a busy week, so I'm going to call it quits here and pass the save on to avoid making you guys wait.
Switch Utica to Walls per forum discussion.
Hit enter.
IBT:
Leipzig: Academy->Wealth
Turn 1 (70 AD):
Move Champion out of Berlin, moving towards large stack of Cats (to help kill the Russian Chariot, if it's still there when he gets there)
Berlin->Shrine
Sci and lux sliders to 10% each. We need gold!
IBT:
Our people want to build The Academy.
Vikings complete Stonehenge.
Turn 2 (90 AD):
Zzz...
IBT:
Utica: Walls->Wealth
More Russians join the chariot we've been bombarding! They now have 2 chariots and an Archer.
Turn 3 (110 AD):
Somehow, the sci slider got up to 30%. I lower it to 20% to gain +1gpt.
Bombard Russians...
Oh, we have a pioneer there. I'm going to risk a Germanic Spearman in attacking a Chariot...and I lose
Screw it, Utica starts building Champ. We need the muscle near the dyes NOW.
IBT:
Zzz...
Turn 4 (130 AD):
I spot a Mongol Chariot near Leipzig, who switches to Champion - I'll need it to attack them next turn.
We redline the Russians with Cats. I wish we had more troops so we could take advantage of this!
IBT:
Berlin: Shrine->Champ
Leipzig: Champ->Canoe (for scouting)
Utica: Champ->Champ
Turn 5 (150 AD):
I bombard the Russians - and a Mongol Asian Spearman who just climbed the mountain near our cat stack. Sigh.
I'm having a busy week, so I'm going to call it quits here and pass the save on to avoid making you guys wait.
Empiremaker
Human Fish
Elephantium- Read the rules. No slider can go above 60% in Monarchy. If sci and lux are at 10%, then tax is at 80- which violates the rules.
Sorry to be harsh, but you are violating one of the challenges of RaR.
Sorry to be harsh, but you are violating one of the challenges of RaR.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
I *thought* it was strange that the sci slider kept jumping to 30%. Oops.
I should have been paying more attention, sorry.
Should my turnset be skipped, with the next person in line picking up the save that I just played from?
I should have been paying more attention, sorry.
Should my turnset be skipped, with the next person in line picking up the save that I just played from?
I thought of attacking the chariot with the spear at your first turn. When they got reinforcement of an archer, the risc to loose the spear is higher (as we have seen). For Utica I thought of the wiseman (research and no costs).
What should we do with the settler now. The spot he actually stands isn't the best, but let him wait for many turns wouldn't be good. Founding the city on the actuall spot will get the dyes after culture-expansion.
What should we do with the settler now. The spot he actually stands isn't the best, but let him wait for many turns wouldn't be good. Founding the city on the actuall spot will get the dyes after culture-expansion.
Empiremaker
Human Fish
Greebley- You're up, Unless Elephantium can finish today or tomorrow, since he said he was busy.
Ok, I got it.
I don't think the slider is a big enough deal to play again. I will play form El's save.
I don't think the slider is a big enough deal to play again. I will play form El's save.
Preturn: Adjust Lux to 20% and Science to 20%. Note that turning someone into a entertainer in the capitol costs as much as the higher lux and we get the benefit of shields, so we do better with Lux at 20%.
Just as a comment, I think that one lone Spearman is not sufficient for guarding the stack with a pioneer and all our catapults when it is on the front line. We could easily lose every one of our cats. I would have waited for the 3 Champions (they don't defend well, but they also mean at least 3 units have to attack to take the Cats).
Change all builds away from units in places that need buildings. We cannot make more units at negative gold. Decide to start the Colossus for the gold.
IBT: Our cats do survive.
170 AD: Our finances are not so good at 3 gold and -9 gpt. I settle the pioneer we had right where he is. That puts us at 0 gold. The town is worth 2 gold for unit support, using the settler reduced the number of units by 1, and finally the town itself makes 2 gold. I also put the new town on wealth for the turn to get to 3 gold and -3 gpt.
IBT: Units retreat.
190 AD: Pioneer from Hamburg builds Frankfort near the non-tundra Iron. Working on connecting up the iron.
We are now at 0 gold +1 gpt.
IBT: We get Mil Training and can now build Barracks. I start going for the GLib next (poetry etc).
210 AD: Bombard a Spear that approached Konigsburg.
230 AD Bombard a Chariot near Konigsburg.
250 AD: Start on Swordsman in Capitol.
260 AD: Kill a Chariot
270 AD: Kill a Chariot
280 AD: Not much
290 AD: Found Munchen on the coast near the capitol
300 AD: A bunch of Cats are lined up to bombard an invading Mongol Spearman next turn.
Notes:
We have had monetary issues. Right now we are running at 20% Lux, but only need 10% because poetry is still in 2. If we run 30% science to get to Lit faster, or cash goes down (due to round-off). To counteract this, I have put towns on building pioneers and such. More towns means more unit support. Once we have more towns we can try building swords for the assault on Carthage.
I think we need to go for GLib pretty quickly or we may miss it. Sun Tzu is already built.
After we get Lit we need to build a library and then the GLib. No prebuild is possible. I would also go for trade after Lit. We really need the cash. It may even be worth going for after Poetry (side track one tech) though it risks the GLib more.
Just as a comment, I think that one lone Spearman is not sufficient for guarding the stack with a pioneer and all our catapults when it is on the front line. We could easily lose every one of our cats. I would have waited for the 3 Champions (they don't defend well, but they also mean at least 3 units have to attack to take the Cats).
Change all builds away from units in places that need buildings. We cannot make more units at negative gold. Decide to start the Colossus for the gold.
IBT: Our cats do survive.
170 AD: Our finances are not so good at 3 gold and -9 gpt. I settle the pioneer we had right where he is. That puts us at 0 gold. The town is worth 2 gold for unit support, using the settler reduced the number of units by 1, and finally the town itself makes 2 gold. I also put the new town on wealth for the turn to get to 3 gold and -3 gpt.
IBT: Units retreat.
190 AD: Pioneer from Hamburg builds Frankfort near the non-tundra Iron. Working on connecting up the iron.
We are now at 0 gold +1 gpt.
IBT: We get Mil Training and can now build Barracks. I start going for the GLib next (poetry etc).
210 AD: Bombard a Spear that approached Konigsburg.
230 AD Bombard a Chariot near Konigsburg.
250 AD: Start on Swordsman in Capitol.
260 AD: Kill a Chariot
270 AD: Kill a Chariot
280 AD: Not much
290 AD: Found Munchen on the coast near the capitol
300 AD: A bunch of Cats are lined up to bombard an invading Mongol Spearman next turn.
Notes:
We have had monetary issues. Right now we are running at 20% Lux, but only need 10% because poetry is still in 2. If we run 30% science to get to Lit faster, or cash goes down (due to round-off). To counteract this, I have put towns on building pioneers and such. More towns means more unit support. Once we have more towns we can try building swords for the assault on Carthage.
I think we need to go for GLib pretty quickly or we may miss it. Sun Tzu is already built.
After we get Lit we need to build a library and then the GLib. No prebuild is possible. I would also go for trade after Lit. We really need the cash. It may even be worth going for after Poetry (side track one tech) though it risks the GLib more.
I thought you can take down the lux slider and rise the research slider with a entertainer in Berlin. Else build a shrine to lower it. I also see the problem to get the GB, but then we must build more cities til trade, but I see you have started Pioneers already.
For the GB we can start a pre-build for the library. It will cost 40 or 80 shields. Is it cheaper due to the scientific trait?
Got it, but will play tomorrow. I'm tired from work.
For the GB we can start a pre-build for the library. It will cost 40 or 80 shields. Is it cheaper due to the scientific trait?
Got it, but will play tomorrow. I'm tired from work.
I think it is cheaper but make sure using the civopedia.
The odd thing about the Lux slider is that there was no difference in the number of entertainers in any city but the capitol between Lux 10 and 20. Thus we actually gain by adjusting to 20% because we get 2 commerce, 3 shields and a food when working the tile. Given that the 20% lux only cost 1 gold more, it was a win. This can often happen. Once we have many or bigger cities adjusting the Lux will be too expensive, but not this early.
The odd thing about the Lux slider is that there was no difference in the number of entertainers in any city but the capitol between Lux 10 and 20. Thus we actually gain by adjusting to 20% because we get 2 commerce, 3 shields and a food when working the tile. Given that the 20% lux only cost 1 gold more, it was a win. This can often happen. Once we have many or bigger cities adjusting the Lux will be too expensive, but not this early.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
If I come up again before Monday, skip me - I'll be out of town this weekend.
IBT: spear moves on mountain by Utica, Rider moves to Königsberg
Turn1: cats (3/6) bombed down the spear, our sword wants to give him the rest, but dies, don't attck with reg champ, but move it on hills to blockade; Königsberg bombs down the rider, but no offensive unit in there.
IBT: rider and spear retreat, russian TG moves on mountain at Königsberg, poetry->Drama, Utica revolts, Berlin: Hardy->Spear,
Turn2: champ kills archer at Königsberg, reg champ kills spear at Utica and gets vet., cats (1/4) in Königberg steal a HP from TG
IBT: russian TG retreats, another rider visits us.
Turn3: cats (2/2) bombs down the rider
IBT: russian chariot appears, Berlin spear->spear, Utica: Pioneer->wiseman
Turn4: cats bomb down chariot
IBT: TG again moves to Königberg, chariot retreats, Frankfurt Monument->monument, Aztec completed Oracle
Turn5: cats (coming from Utica) bomb down the TG, our champ makes a slave of him, Cats from Königsberg move out and bombs down the riders.
IBT: again a chariot, Berlin: Sword->Spear, Frankfurt: Traing camp-> heroic epic, Königsberg: monument->wiseman
Turn6: bombing down everything around Königsberg, Champ makes a slave of a chariot, Champ kills rider and is promoted to elite, spear kills chariot and is promoted (was a misclick but I take it), sword kills the last one and stops in front of a chariot, the spear from Königsberg guards him.
IBT: Yuhu, our champ kills a chariot and is promoted. At the far north a transporter is sighted by our exploring worker.
Turn7: I saw the mongol cultureborder and moved the spear towards it. It is litely guarded, so I want to take it. Utica changed to worker housing, Königsberg to walls.
IBT: Damn, Tibet (where the hell is that) has build the GB.
Turn 8: Heidelberg found. -> harbor, Sliders 6.3.1 Drama in 4.
IBT: a mongol cataphract (3.2.2) appears near Leipzig.
Turn9: Destroyed mongol city (unfortunately it was only size 1), get 30 gold and a slave. Berlin changed to sword. cats moved out of Utica.
IBT: Cataphract moves towards empty Utica, Berlin: sword->spear, Utica: worker housing->wiseman, München: monument->wiseman
Turn10: Cats bombed down the cataphract and our sword makes a slave of him, Cats at old mongol city fired on champ/warrior and the elite sword kills him. Königsberg changed to wise-man. If we build a new city at the river-delta the pressure on Königsberg will be lowered.
Turn1: cats (3/6) bombed down the spear, our sword wants to give him the rest, but dies
, don't attck with reg champ, but move it on hills to blockade; Königsberg bombs down the rider, but no offensive unit in there.IBT: rider and spear retreat, russian TG moves on mountain at Königsberg, poetry->Drama, Utica revolts, Berlin: Hardy->Spear,
Turn2: champ kills archer at Königsberg, reg champ kills spear at Utica and gets vet., cats (1/4) in Königberg steal a HP from TG
IBT: russian TG retreats, another rider visits us.
Turn3: cats (2/2) bombs down the rider
IBT: russian chariot appears, Berlin spear->spear, Utica: Pioneer->wiseman
Turn4: cats bomb down chariot
IBT: TG again moves to Königberg, chariot retreats, Frankfurt Monument->monument, Aztec completed Oracle
Turn5: cats (coming from Utica) bomb down the TG, our champ makes a slave of him, Cats from Königsberg move out and bombs down the riders.
IBT: again a chariot, Berlin: Sword->Spear, Frankfurt: Traing camp-> heroic epic, Königsberg: monument->wiseman
Turn6: bombing down everything around Königsberg, Champ makes a slave of a chariot, Champ kills rider and is promoted to elite, spear kills chariot and is promoted (was a misclick but I take it), sword kills the last one and stops in front of a chariot, the spear from Königsberg guards him.
IBT: Yuhu, our champ kills a chariot and is promoted. At the far north a transporter is sighted by our exploring worker.
Turn7: I saw the mongol cultureborder and moved the spear towards it. It is litely guarded, so I want to take it. Utica changed to worker housing, Königsberg to walls.
IBT: Damn, Tibet (where the hell is that) has build the GB.
Turn 8: Heidelberg found. -> harbor, Sliders 6.3.1 Drama in 4.
IBT: a mongol cataphract (3.2.2) appears near Leipzig.
Turn9: Destroyed mongol city (unfortunately it was only size 1), get 30 gold and a slave. Berlin changed to sword. cats moved out of Utica.
IBT: Cataphract moves towards empty Utica, Berlin: sword->spear, Utica: worker housing->wiseman, München: monument->wiseman
Turn10: Cats bombed down the cataphract and our sword makes a slave of him, Cats at old mongol city fired on champ/warrior and the elite sword kills him. Königsberg changed to wise-man. If we build a new city at the river-delta the pressure on Königsberg will be lowered.
Empiremaker
Human Fish
I got it.
After we take Carthage, we should try to connect the olive oil with a harbor.
After we take Carthage, we should try to connect the olive oil with a harbor.
Before you take Carthage, you should take the other city of them. Then they only have the palace-defense-bonus once.
For the olive: The settler is on the way and a few workers too.
And I forgot the screen. There is a really much tundra, but some lux are also there.
edit: The spear between Frankfurt and Hamburg guards both cities!
edit2: after poetry we should research for trade.
For the olive: The settler is on the way and a few workers too.
And I forgot the screen. There is a really much tundra, but some lux are also there.
edit: The spear between Frankfurt and Hamburg guards both cities!
edit2: after poetry we should research for trade.
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Empiremaker
Human Fish
Pre- Turn - Konigsberg switched to walls, Sci to 50%, Drama in 1.
Clear map and see fruit in fog 3SE of dyes along river.
Why did we build training camp in Leipzig rather than Berlin? The armies would be built faster.
IBT- Mongol cataphract comes onto mountain by Koingsberg.
Drama comes in, start research on literature, Sci to 40% (-2) gpt.
Koinsberg: Walls -> barracks.
1- Munchen to Harbor.
IBT- Mongol catapharct retreats.
Berlin Spear->cat
Hamburg Hardy Pioneer-> Hardy Pioneer
Frankfurt Wise -> Cat
2- Hurry Rax in Konigsberg
Scout and see Mongol border to the S along the road.
We need offensive units, so I MM Berlin, growth in 10, Sword in 2
3- See Mongol Pioneer and Spear, kill and capture 3 workers. Mongol city founded 1 E of rubble by the forest.
IBT- See lots of Mongol units. Canoe drops off Archer. Carthage sends Numidian to pillage camels
4- Kill Catapract and champ, and we get this message:
![[party]](/images/smilies/partytime.gif "Party [party]")
Oh, and we also get a slave.
Found Murnberg by olive oil.
IBT- Koingsberg expands
5- Build army with leader- Fill with swords
Russian chariots are impending movement. We need spears and swords.
IBT- Mongolians or Russians land troops near Carthage.
Berlin- Sword-> Spear.
Frankfurt riots.
6- Kill Catapract with army, get slave.
Kill chariot, get slave.
7- Were going to lose Frank or Ham this turn. I protect Frankfurt. I try to distract the chariot attackig Hamburg.
IBT- Because we lost Hamburg, income goes down, and we lose academy.
8- Kill 2 Mongolians, and we get
Remove a chariot on the silver, but lose a sword.
IBT- Camels Pillaged
9- Literature comes in, Start on Trade, in 4.
Leipzig riots.
Tibet Completes Knights Templar. Were way behind, but luckily the AI takes a while to come down lit path.
Retake Hamburg and 65! gold.
Kill yet another Chariot, and we get a slave.
Kill some Mongolian units.
IBT
10- Created army. I think this one should be a spear army, so that we have improved defense. I would load up spear into it, but Ive left it to the next player.
Oilve Oil Connected.
Found Koln on north on gold.
Science to 60, Trade in 1.
NOTES
We need to kill the Mongolian archer in the tundra area.
We have 2 armies. I think one should be a sword, and one a spear.
When we have the troops, the poioneer should found a city- anywhere. I want some cities south of Leipzig.
Next up in Berlin- Great Library.
Emp01, 500AD
Greebley- Youre up, since Elephantium said he would be gone. But if you can't play today or tomorrow, we can wait for Elephantium.
Clear map and see fruit in fog 3SE of dyes along river.
Why did we build training camp in Leipzig rather than Berlin? The armies would be built faster.
IBT- Mongol cataphract comes onto mountain by Koingsberg.
Drama comes in, start research on literature, Sci to 40% (-2) gpt.
Koinsberg: Walls -> barracks.
1- Munchen to Harbor.
IBT- Mongol catapharct retreats.
Berlin Spear->cat
Hamburg Hardy Pioneer-> Hardy Pioneer
Frankfurt Wise -> Cat
2- Hurry Rax in Konigsberg
Scout and see Mongol border to the S along the road.
We need offensive units, so I MM Berlin, growth in 10, Sword in 2
3- See Mongol Pioneer and Spear, kill and capture 3 workers. Mongol city founded 1 E of rubble by the forest.
IBT- See lots of Mongol units. Canoe drops off Archer. Carthage sends Numidian to pillage camels
4- Kill Catapract and champ, and we get this message:
Oh, and we also get a slave.
Found Murnberg by olive oil.
IBT- Koingsberg expands
5- Build army with leader- Fill with swords
Russian chariots are impending movement. We need spears and swords.
IBT- Mongolians or Russians land troops near Carthage.
Berlin- Sword-> Spear.
Frankfurt riots.
6- Kill Catapract with army, get slave.
Kill chariot, get slave.
7- Were going to lose Frank or Ham this turn. I protect Frankfurt. I try to distract the chariot attackig Hamburg.
IBT- Because we lost Hamburg, income goes down, and we lose academy.
8- Kill 2 Mongolians, and we get
Remove a chariot on the silver, but lose a sword.
IBT- Camels Pillaged
9- Literature comes in, Start on Trade, in 4.
Leipzig riots.
Tibet Completes Knights Templar. Were way behind, but luckily the AI takes a while to come down lit path.
Retake Hamburg and 65! gold.
Kill yet another Chariot, and we get a slave.
Kill some Mongolian units.
IBT
10- Created army. I think this one should be a spear army, so that we have improved defense. I would load up spear into it, but Ive left it to the next player.
Oilve Oil Connected.
Found Koln on north on gold.
Science to 60, Trade in 1.
NOTES
We need to kill the Mongolian archer in the tundra area.
We have 2 armies. I think one should be a sword, and one a spear.
When we have the troops, the poioneer should found a city- anywhere. I want some cities south of Leipzig.
Next up in Berlin- Great Library.
Emp01, 500AD
Greebley- Youre up, since Elephantium said he would be gone. But if you can't play today or tomorrow, we can wait for Elephantium.
AS I wrote: Tibet has build the GB! This will be a very hard game.
I think the training camp was build in Leipzig cause it has no baracks and nothing inexpensive things to do.
Next should be offense on the carthagians. But first their non capital. I would prefer 2 armies with swords. The armies then can be protected by several spears. That has the advantage, that we can capture cities more easy and the spears can be assigned to protect different cities.
I think the training camp was build in Leipzig cause it has no baracks and nothing inexpensive things to do.
Next should be offense on the carthagians. But first their non capital. I would prefer 2 armies with swords. The armies then can be protected by several spears. That has the advantage, that we can capture cities more easy and the spears can be assigned to protect different cities.
Two leader sounds great. Hope that they appear more, so that we can build small wonders with them.
That rest doesn't look good on my point of view. Nürnberg and Köln are unprotected and a mongol sword roams in the tundra. Königsberg has hardly any defense and if our cat won't hit the cataphract will perhaps take it.
That rest doesn't look good on my point of view. Nürnberg and Köln are unprotected and a mongol sword roams in the tundra. Königsberg has hardly any defense and if our cat won't hit the cataphract will perhaps take it.
A suggestion to all is to use bold if something very important like building the Great Library. Also note though that GB is non-standard for english speakers and might be confusing. I was confused the first time I saw that term. I personally use GLib as GL is also great leader.
Edit: I think I will wait for Elephantium. Something came up for today.
Edit: I think I will wait for Elephantium. Something came up for today.
Sorry 
. I haven't thought abut the akronym when writing it. Akronyms are nice since you have not to write the full name. But if you change the language they might change. I'll hope to think onit. For the future: If you have questions on my turn-log, ask them!
. I haven't thought abut the akronym when writing it. Akronyms are nice since you have not to write the full name. But if you change the language they might change. I'll hope to think onit. For the future: If you have questions on my turn-log, ask them!
Empiremaker
Human Fish
Oh. I didn't know GB was the GLib, I thought it was some other wonder since GL or GLib is common usage here. . In that case, the library build should be changed.
. In that case, the library build should be changed.
