End of Iraqi War?

[GhostWriter16]

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What do you think? Will Iraq remain a "free state", or will it collapse into civil war and turmoil? And will US interests in the region keep the "advisors" there beyond their deadline?

(My two cents: Maybe, Maybe and Yes).

Will we stay longer than we plan to? Yes. Will we stay as long as we need to? No.

I get that you guys don't much like the idea of the US being there, but be reasonable, we went. If we leave now life may well become worse for the Iraqi people. Instability would run rampant, and killings commonplace. If you make a mess you have to clean it up.

For my personal opinions I support the war because Saddam was insane, caused instability in the whole region, and I personally believe had WMDs that are now hidden. I respect your right to disagree, but if we leave too soon the region will be more unstable than when we got there.

As for Iraq remaining free, for how long? Freedom cannot last forever, even the USA is showing that. Someday, freedom will die everywhere.

I don't think freedom will die right away in Iraq, but it won't likely last long if we leave as soon as Obama wants to.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

So... the combat brigades are gone, but there's still 50,000 troops there.

How, exactly, is the war over?

Because the One said it is, so the facts don't matter. The Obots want to crow regardless of the facts.

Kind of like calling the health care "reform" historic even though it leaves between 15 and 23 million people uninsured, has no public option, and has toothless consumer protection.

 

[civver_764]

For my personal opinions I support the war because Saddam was insane, caused instability in the whole region, and I personally believe had WMDs that are now hidden. I respect your right to disagree, but if we leave too soon the region will be more unstable than when we got there.

Suddam was a douche, but you can't honestly say Iraq is more stable now than it was under him.

And it isn't our duty to overthrow every dictator in the world, not to mention the ones we helped prop up.

These are going to solve Iraq's ethno-religious problems how?

Don't be a dick. I never implied I was offering a solution to those problems.

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[MobBoss]

Suddam was a douche, but you can't honestly say Iraq is more stable now than it was under him.

Right now you can. Saddam constantly had some rebellion ongoing with large amounts of public unrest. In comparison things are extremely quiet and stable right now. There isnt really any identified group trying to seriously overthrow the government, and thats something that Saddam never even had.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Suddam was a douche, but you can't honestly say Iraq is more stable now than it was under him.

And it isn't our duty to overthrow every dictator in the world, not to mention the ones we helped prop up.

Don't be a dick. I never implied I was offering a solution to those problems.

I agree that we can't overthrow every dictator. I wish we could but it just isn't feasible.

But 'stability' isn't much of a measure of the quality of life. North Korea is internally stable but it's a terrible place. I'm sure the middle school girls who were raped on a daily basis by Saddam's sons, or the Kurds who got gassed, appreciated the 'stability' provided by his regime.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Suddam was a douche, but you can't honestly say Iraq is more stable now than it was under him.

First off, I didn't say we were or weren't. I don't know enough to say. However, I do know if we pull out now things will fly into chaos.

And it isn't our duty to overthrow every dictator in the world, not to mention the ones we helped prop up.

Right now you can. Saddam constantly had some rebellion ongoing with large amounts of public unrest. In comparison things are extremely quiet and stable right now. There isnt really any identified group trying to seriously overthrow the government, and thats something that Saddam never even had.

I agree that we can't overthrow every dictator. I wish we could but it just isn't feasible.

I agree, but if you support killing off the ones we can, wouldn't Cuba be a legit target, considering they are within swimming distance and could be conquered in a day?

But 'stability' isn't much of a measure of the quality of life. North Korea is internally stable but it's a terrible place. I'm sure the middle school girls who were raped on a daily basis by Saddam's sons, or the Kurds who got gassed, appreciated the 'stability' provided by his regime.

Agree with your point, however I've never heard of anyone being raped which was condoned by Saddam? Link?

 

[choxorn]

I agree, but if you support killing off the ones we can, wouldn't Cuba be a legit target, considering they are within swimming distance and could be conquered in a day?

True, we can overthrow Castro, or most dictators, for that matter, and easily. What we can't do is afford the cost of occupying a foreign country and re-build the country after we've overthrown the dictator so that it doesn't go back into chaos.

 

[GhostWriter16]

True, we can overthrow Castro, or most dictators, for that matter, and easily. What we can't do is afford the cost of occupying a foreign country and re-build the country after we've overthrown the dictator so that it doesn't go back into chaos.

Well, in all seriousness, assassination, its easy and we can easily make it look like it wasn't us.

 

[choxorn]

Well, in all seriousness, assassination, its easy and we can easily make it look like it wasn't us.

Since when has the CIA ever been good at doing that?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Since when has the CIA ever been good at doing that?

Since before they were restricted by US law?

 

[Masada]

Don't be a dick. I never implied I was offering a solution to those problems.

Please stop using pejoratives. Also, yeah, you kinda did. Look at the OP you replied to and tell me how you weren't.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Agree with your point, however I've never heard of anyone being raped which was condoned by Saddam? Link?

Here: http://www.mafhoum.com/press5/147P57.htm

This article was originally published by Time magazine, so it's not a Shi'ite or neocon/Bush apologist hack job.

 

[Verbose]

I for one will be interested in following how the private contractors will be doing, now that the official US armed forces move out.

 

[Glassfan]

I never said I expected it to happen.

If we had a guy like Kucinich in office, stuff would get done.

Dennis Kucinich? From Ohio? Are you Nuts? Sure he would get stuff done - bad stuff.

 

[Glassfan]

Wait - perhaps you're just being facetious. I retract and apologize if that's the case.

 

[GenMarshall]

It's about time Bush's War is at an end!

 

[7ronin]

It is very likely that Iraq will eventually break up into a northern Kurdish state, a central Sunni state and a southern Shia state. The three per cent of Iraqis who are Christians and spread throughout the country had best get out of Dodge...soon.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Here: http://www.mafhoum.com/press5/147P57.htm

This article was originally published by Time magazine, so it's not a Shi'ite or neocon/Bush apologist hack job.

I believe it and now think even more so this war was needed.

Dennis Kucinich? From Ohio? Are you Nuts? Sure he would get stuff done - bad stuff.

Yup.

Wait - perhaps you're just being facetious. I retract and apologize if that's the case.

No, he wants them to elect him.

It's about time Bush's War is at an end!

And let the people suffer more than they did under Saddam?

 

[GenMarshall]

And let the people suffer more than they did under Saddam?

Who gives a damn. They're certainly not appreciating our troops being there shuffling there soil. Would you like if solders came in guns a blazing then occupy your house?

 

[Arakhor]

I don't think that the CIA has ever felt particularly bound by US law. "Extraordinary rendition" and "enhanced interrogation techniques" come to mind.